Mal: Then I call it a win. What's the problem? Inara: Should I start with the part where you're stranded in the middle of nowhere, or the part where you have no clothes?

'Trash'


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Discussion of all Firefly episodes, including "Trash", "The Message", "Heart of Gold", and any movie news.


§ ita § - Sep 29, 2005 6:09:38 am PDT #1377 of 1424
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

You got what you expected, though, right? I mean, you don't like Joss's writing, IIRC.

I guess what sticks is variable. Like that's a revelation. Still, The Operative killing the doctor at the start drove it home for me that the mindreading River might have done made her a liability. It wasn't that she knew about Miranda. They didn't know what. She was just too high risk.


Kalshane - Sep 29, 2005 6:14:12 am PDT #1378 of 1424
GS: If you had to choose between kicking evil in the head or the behind, which would you choose, and why? Minsc: I'm not sure I understand the question. I have two feet, do I not? You do not take a small plate when the feast of evil welcomes seconds.

It wasn't that she knew about Miranda. They didn't know what. She was just too high risk.

Right. The Alliance had no idea what she knew. All they knew was they had an escaped psychic who had been in the presence of numerous government bigshots with lots of hush-hush information in their brains.


Jars - Sep 29, 2005 6:14:44 am PDT #1379 of 1424

I just don't think I'm as sure of my opinions as you are Allyson. I was massively conflicted leaving the cinema. There were parts that I really enjoyed, and parts that I didn't so much, but I was worried that the only reason I didn't like those parts was because I loved the show so much and they weren't like the show at all.

I didn't think it was a 'ridiculously stupid plot' either, though again I had problems with it. I thought it was a lot more sci-fi than the show had ever dared to be. So it didn't fit in my head with my vision of the show, which I wasn't happy about (along with the whole sci-fi blue lighting thing). I think I'll have to watch it again to try and get a better sense of it as a movie, entirely seperate from what preceded it, but I'd trust the opinions of people who hadn't ever seen the show a lot more on that one.


Kristen - Sep 29, 2005 6:14:47 am PDT #1380 of 1424

I disliked Serenity more than I thought I would. I expected to have issues with it but was surprised by how many issues I had. Especially the dialogue. There was some funny lines, yes, but there were a lot of clunkers. Far more than I expected from Joss. Because, while he sometimes likes to throw out the story for the sake of a better story, he usually brings the good talky.

I do think that Serenity could have been trimmed down and made into a much better one hour episode.

I did want to sign it "Dear Joss, please stop believing your own press," but I didn't want to harsh anyone's mellow.

HA. That ship, my friend, has already sailed.


Allyson - Sep 29, 2005 6:20:37 am PDT #1381 of 1424
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

I mean, you don't like Joss's writing, IIRC.

That's Strega. I did have some low expectations going in, as you know, I didn't expect to be appalled at the quality of the storytelling.

I remember feeling like I wished I hadn't gone. I realized that I wanted to be there purely for ridiculously lame ego reasons, weeks ago, and I shouldn't have gone.


§ ita § - Sep 29, 2005 6:31:08 am PDT #1382 of 1424
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

That's Strega

Aha. Do you feel Joss wrote like Joss, as in for TV, or Joss wrote like Joss, for film, or Joss wrote like some pod person whose writing isn't what you'd come to look like from him?

I remember feeling like I wished I hadn't gone.

Really? I don't even feel that way about Spiceworld.


Allyson - Sep 29, 2005 6:35:50 am PDT #1383 of 1424
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Pod person. Lazy.

It was lovely to see you, though!

I just should have gone in to see Transporter II and met you afterward.


§ ita § - Sep 29, 2005 6:37:58 am PDT #1384 of 1424
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

It was lovely to see you, though!

See? Not a total loss.

I just should have gone in to see Transporter II and met you afterward.

Well, you'd have had less invested, but it was a much stupider film. I mean, if you're looking for plot or characters or obeisance to the laws of physics. Fun, though.


Allyson - Sep 29, 2005 6:46:02 am PDT #1385 of 1424
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Fun, though.

Exactly.


§ ita § - Sep 29, 2005 6:47:07 am PDT #1386 of 1424
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Exactly.

I can't be trusted! I thought Serenity was fun too.