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Firefly Spoilers  

Discussion of all Firefly episodes, including "Trash", "The Message", "Heart of Gold", and any movie news.


§ ita § - Sep 29, 2005 6:37:58 am PDT #1384 of 1424
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

It was lovely to see you, though!

See? Not a total loss.

I just should have gone in to see Transporter II and met you afterward.

Well, you'd have had less invested, but it was a much stupider film. I mean, if you're looking for plot or characters or obeisance to the laws of physics. Fun, though.


Allyson - Sep 29, 2005 6:46:02 am PDT #1385 of 1424
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Fun, though.

Exactly.


§ ita § - Sep 29, 2005 6:47:07 am PDT #1386 of 1424
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Exactly.

I can't be trusted! I thought Serenity was fun too.


Kristen - Sep 29, 2005 6:48:05 am PDT #1387 of 1424

And, it would seem, Spiceworld.


§ ita § - Sep 29, 2005 6:50:07 am PDT #1388 of 1424
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Never said anything of the sort. Spiceworld was an appalling movie. But I got what I wanted out of it -- the grounds to be able to see that with first hand authority, and I don't regret seeing it for a second.


KernelM - Sep 29, 2005 7:10:52 am PDT #1389 of 1424
Ankh-Morpork Watchman, Dreamer, Scooby, Minister of Grace, Still Flyin' in a Zoo2 World

(I went to the film with a co-worker who'd loaned half the office her DVDs. She was embarrassed by the people in costume.)

So were these people in costume behaving in an obnoxious way? Or just the fact that they were in costume was embarrassing.


Mr. Broom - Sep 29, 2005 7:28:47 am PDT #1390 of 1424
"When I look at people that I would like to feel have been a mentor or an inspiring kind of archetype of what I'd love to see my career eventually be mentioned as a footnote for in the same paragraph, it would be, like, Bowie." ~Trent Reznor

I'm betting it's the latter. I took three of my fanspawn to the preview and two of them squirmed like mad at the costuming and the singing of "The Hero of Canton," even though previous conversations/arguments showed they could geek out as much as the next guy. I'd just call it the capacity for contact embarrassment.


Allyson - Sep 29, 2005 7:35:27 am PDT #1391 of 1424
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Some fans wore costumes to the red carpet thingy.

I found that weird.


Matt the Bruins fan - Sep 29, 2005 7:46:12 am PDT #1392 of 1424
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

I'm completely cool with costumes in a con setting, but admit I inwardly cringed at that guy who dressed as Spike for PBP 2002.


DavidS - Sep 29, 2005 7:52:57 am PDT #1393 of 1424
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Hec, was that little snark aimed at me? Because I prefer to be addressed by name if someone's trying to snark me.

Misha, I even know how to spell your name at this point. If I wanted your attention in particular, I'd let you know.

It was just the gleefulness in the review wanting to tear down Joss. A pre-reveling in the movie's perceived failure.

I don't even really have a fully formed opinion of the movie after only seeing the screening last spring. My initial impression was that the movie would only place in the middle of my personal Firefly ranking. For me, it wasn't nearly as good as "Out of Gas," or "Objects in Space" or "War Stories," or "Serenity." It was probably about as good as "Ariel" or "The Message" (which I liked better than a lot of people).

Unlike Strega, plot failures don't bug me that much as long as I get the Talky that Kristen alluded too. I got enough Jossy goodness there to entertain me, though I'd agree with her that he's had better efforts. I got my money's worth of fun out of it, anyway.

Ultimately, I don't know how you can make a two hour movie that maintains the continuity of a 13 hour series, and is also completely self-sustained. That seems (to me) like an almost impossible writing task, unless you've got material like South Park where character development and arcs aren't a primary concern.

I think the movie will do okay. It'll certainly cover its expenses and probably make a little profit - it wasn't a huge investment to start with. I don't think it'll make boffo b.o. and turn into a phenomenon.