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Wash ,'War Stories'


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Discussion of all Firefly episodes, including "Trash", "The Message", "Heart of Gold", and any movie news.


UTTAD - Aug 24, 2005 2:09:04 pm PDT #1188 of 1424
Strawberry disappointment.

I think his words were along the lines of "I wouldn't be entirely lying if I said that Wash and Book would be back in a sequel."

And yeah, killing off Wash really did make the rest of the crew fair game. I was really worried they were all going to do a Butch and Sundance.


Kiba Rika - Aug 24, 2005 3:27:56 pm PDT #1189 of 1424
I may have to seize the cat.

My old theory was Serenity I: River and then Serenity II and III: Book and Inara in one order or the other. I said this on the way to the screening to smonster & amyth & the others attending with us, and then afterwards was all, "Oops, guess I'm wrong." Nice to see I might not be.

I do think there was value in both deaths, but it doesn't mean they made me happy. Good storytelling often conflicts with my happiness, especially in the world of Whedon.


Mr. Broom - Aug 24, 2005 9:36:47 pm PDT #1190 of 1424
"When I look at people that I would like to feel have been a mentor or an inspiring kind of archetype of what I'd love to see my career eventually be mentioned as a footnote for in the same paragraph, it would be, like, Bowie." ~Trent Reznor

If you want to rank the Big Secrets of those three characters in order of importance, that seems to be the reverse order. River's secret is clearly the biggest, so doing sequels that way after is tapering off. Book's secret past might affect a few people, but I doubt it's on par with Miranda. And I'd lay good odds Inara's reasons for being on Serenity are even more personal, the sort of thing you'd deal with in a semi-big (sweeps but not May) television episode.

Of course, that's all moot now. In addition to severely reducing any chance we'll know the truth about Book, the fact that Inara goes and becomes the head of her own Companion house suggests that her Secret Past story may have dead-ended as well.


AnthonyDe - Aug 25, 2005 12:09:16 am PDT #1191 of 1424
A One that isn't cold, is scarcely A One at all.

I thought it was set up to reveal that Book was a former Operative, then I thought if that was the case it might make nice symmetry at the end when the Operative showed up to announce he was becoming a shepherd.


manzo - Aug 31, 2005 2:54:11 am PDT #1192 of 1424
If we're really lucky, they'll do it in that order...

Good review. The reviewer hadn't seen Firefly, or hardly any Buffy or Angel, so this review bodes well. It's a bit spoilery, which is why I haven't posted it in the other thread. Ends nicely though:

If you thought that the new “Star Wars” trilogy was bogged down by joyless, dull dialogue and a general lack of excitement, you may find that “Serenity” is just what you’re looking for. Joss Whedon has the same sort of determined ambition as the young George Lucas. “Serenity” cares about its characters and puts them in exciting and imaginative situations. It’s a lot of fun.


Gris - Sep 01, 2005 3:36:14 pm PDT #1193 of 1424
Hey. New board.

Damn, that's a very nice review!

I'm so ready for massive reviews to kick in. I want to watch the Metacritic score with satisfaction or exasperation. It's a hobby of mine.


Kiba Rika - Sep 03, 2005 2:23:08 pm PDT #1194 of 1424
I may have to seize the cat.

Wanting to address the Simon retcon-or-not question:

My mom bought me the novelization (I have no job and she loves me, and will borrow it after she's seen the movie). It includes much material supplemental to the movie, including scenes from the ep "Serenity" and also "Safe." It deals very well with making sense of the "But I thought Simon said someone else took care of everything?" question, and I hereby announce that I am accepting it as canon. If this is a retconnish thing that bugs you as much as it bugs me, and you'd like an official fanwank to make it all make sense, you really ought to at least borrow the book or go sit in a bookstore and read the first few chapters.


sfmarty - Sep 03, 2005 3:03:02 pm PDT #1195 of 1424
Who? moi??

What is the title and who wrote it? There is this big shelf called the San Francisco Public Library that lets me order stuff online.


Kiba Rika - Sep 03, 2005 5:04:21 pm PDT #1196 of 1424
I may have to seize the cat.

It's Serenity, and it's by Keith R. DeCandido. The first chapter of it is online (I'm too lazy to google), but that's not the part that fixes the retcon, so you do need a text of the book. (It's also available in ebook form.)


Theodosia - Sep 03, 2005 7:12:02 pm PDT #1197 of 1424
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

Oh, cool that Keith got to do it! I know him from around.