And you're sure this isn't just some fanboy thing? 'Cause I've fought more than a couple pimply, overweight vamps that called themselves Lestat.

Buffy ,'Lessons'


Firefly Spoilers  

Discussion of all Firefly episodes, including "Trash", "The Message", "Heart of Gold", and any movie news.


AnthonyDe - Aug 25, 2005 12:09:16 am PDT #1191 of 1424
A One that isn't cold, is scarcely A One at all.

I thought it was set up to reveal that Book was a former Operative, then I thought if that was the case it might make nice symmetry at the end when the Operative showed up to announce he was becoming a shepherd.


manzo - Aug 31, 2005 2:54:11 am PDT #1192 of 1424
If we're really lucky, they'll do it in that order...

Good review. The reviewer hadn't seen Firefly, or hardly any Buffy or Angel, so this review bodes well. It's a bit spoilery, which is why I haven't posted it in the other thread. Ends nicely though:

If you thought that the new “Star Wars” trilogy was bogged down by joyless, dull dialogue and a general lack of excitement, you may find that “Serenity” is just what you’re looking for. Joss Whedon has the same sort of determined ambition as the young George Lucas. “Serenity” cares about its characters and puts them in exciting and imaginative situations. It’s a lot of fun.


Gris - Sep 01, 2005 3:36:14 pm PDT #1193 of 1424
Hey. New board.

Damn, that's a very nice review!

I'm so ready for massive reviews to kick in. I want to watch the Metacritic score with satisfaction or exasperation. It's a hobby of mine.


Kiba Rika - Sep 03, 2005 2:23:08 pm PDT #1194 of 1424
I may have to seize the cat.

Wanting to address the Simon retcon-or-not question:

My mom bought me the novelization (I have no job and she loves me, and will borrow it after she's seen the movie). It includes much material supplemental to the movie, including scenes from the ep "Serenity" and also "Safe." It deals very well with making sense of the "But I thought Simon said someone else took care of everything?" question, and I hereby announce that I am accepting it as canon. If this is a retconnish thing that bugs you as much as it bugs me, and you'd like an official fanwank to make it all make sense, you really ought to at least borrow the book or go sit in a bookstore and read the first few chapters.


sfmarty - Sep 03, 2005 3:03:02 pm PDT #1195 of 1424
Who? moi??

What is the title and who wrote it? There is this big shelf called the San Francisco Public Library that lets me order stuff online.


Kiba Rika - Sep 03, 2005 5:04:21 pm PDT #1196 of 1424
I may have to seize the cat.

It's Serenity, and it's by Keith R. DeCandido. The first chapter of it is online (I'm too lazy to google), but that's not the part that fixes the retcon, so you do need a text of the book. (It's also available in ebook form.)


Theodosia - Sep 03, 2005 7:12:02 pm PDT #1197 of 1424
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

Oh, cool that Keith got to do it! I know him from around.


Jon B. - Sep 04, 2005 6:23:17 am PDT #1198 of 1424
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

Given that this is the spoilers thread, you could explain Keith's non-retcon for us here....


Nutty - Sep 04, 2005 1:08:03 pm PDT #1199 of 1424
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

Agreed, that a Spoilers thread deserves some spoilers.

I talked to Keith in January (Boskone), and he told me he'd written the novelization then, and I forgot. He did say it was wicked juicy and he enjoyed writing it very much, and while I am mentioning it I might as well report to you all that Keith is a long-haired, man-size muppet.


Kiba Rika - Sep 04, 2005 2:56:31 pm PDT #1200 of 1424
I may have to seize the cat.

Given that this is the spoilers thread, you could explain Keith's non-retcon for us here....

You make a good point. It doesn't quite fix it, but it's a good enough explanation.

From the episode Serenity:

Then I was contacted by some men, some underground movement. They-they said she was in danger, that-that the government was... playing with her brain. If I funded them they could sneak her out in cryo. Get her to Persephone, and from there, I could take her... wherever.

And then, of course, in the movie, we see him break her out himself. So, in the novelization, he funds these people, and they arrange everything for him. All he has to do is go in and get her. They provide him with all the objects he needs, transportation, costume, fake retinal scans, etc. It isn't perfect, but it at least makes it make sense to me that he would say the above when it was he that broke her out.

I highly recommend the novelization. It's like watching the movie again, but with new juicy bits because of the third-person omniscient perspective.