And don't you ever stand for that sort of thing. Someone ever tries to kill you, you try to kill 'em right back! ... You got the right same as anyone to live and try to kill people.

Mal ,'Our Mrs. Reynolds'


Firefly Spoilers  

Discussion of all Firefly episodes, including "Trash", "The Message", "Heart of Gold", and any movie news.


DXMachina - Jun 26, 2005 4:51:56 pm PDT #1131 of 1424
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

The good-guys are stalwart and true. The bad-guys are easily distinguished by their pointy horns or black hats and we always defeat them and save the day. Nobody ever dies…and everybody lives happily ever after.


Typo Boy - Jun 26, 2005 7:08:49 pm PDT #1132 of 1424
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

The only thing is, I don't read their technology as advanced enough to move planetary masses into new orbits. The terraforming alone looked to have taken decades to perform.

Hmm - how can I wank this? They had to look hard for the best system to move to(not cannonical, but not contradicted by cannon). So they found something that could nudged into shape with a lot less effort than your normal solar system. The Terraforming was done simultaneously. What would produce such a system? They find it mysterious too - just happy to have run into it.


Mr. Broom - Jun 26, 2005 7:15:36 pm PDT #1133 of 1424
"When I look at people that I would like to feel have been a mentor or an inspiring kind of archetype of what I'd love to see my career eventually be mentioned as a footnote for in the same paragraph, it would be, like, Bowie." ~Trent Reznor

The reason I don't really try to hard to think about how to work out the few potentially glaring scientific issues in the Fireflyverse is that I know Trekkies, and listening to them try to explain, for example, the preposterousness of the universal translator makes my brain sad. If you can handwave FTL travel, which contradicts all we know about physics, an obscenely large habitable solar system shouldn't take more than a pinky.


Typo Boy - Jun 26, 2005 7:24:04 pm PDT #1134 of 1424
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

I agree - a solar system with a large number of terraformable habital planets violates no fundamental physical laws. What it could bring it about (since advanced alien races, even extinct ones go agains the "no-aliens" spirit of Firefly) is another question. I'm not an astrophyscist. but I'll bet either a real one, or someone with good enough working knowledge to fake it on the internet could come up with a plausible low-probability explaination. Remember it would not have to be likely - just possible.


Frankenbuddha - Jun 28, 2005 6:39:55 am PDT #1135 of 1424
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

I agree - a solar system with a large number of terraformable habital planets violates no fundamental physical laws. What it could bring it about (since advanced alien races, even extinct ones go agains the "no-aliens" spirit of Firefly) is another question. I'm not an astrophyscist. but I'll bet either a real one, or someone with good enough working knowledge to fake it on the internet could come up with a plausible low-probability explaination. Remember it would not have to be likely - just possible.

You've been huffing off of the Infinite Improbablility Drive again, haven't you?


Matt the Bruins fan - Jun 28, 2005 8:23:01 am PDT #1136 of 1424
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Now I'm envisioning a River composed entirely of different colored jellybeans beating the crap out of everyone in a bar.


Mr. Broom - Jun 28, 2005 8:38:45 am PDT #1137 of 1424
"When I look at people that I would like to feel have been a mentor or an inspiring kind of archetype of what I'd love to see my career eventually be mentioned as a footnote for in the same paragraph, it would be, like, Bowie." ~Trent Reznor

Truly a sight that would be, in all definitions, shiny.


Am-Chau Yarkona - Jun 29, 2005 11:15:51 am PDT #1138 of 1424
I bop to Wittgenstein. -- Nutty

Now I'm envisioning a River composed entirely of different colored jellybeans beating the crap out of everyone in a bar.

I went to a place where Mal turned into a penguin. An angry penguin.


Kathy A - Jun 29, 2005 11:19:30 am PDT #1139 of 1424
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

"You're turning into a penguin, Mal. Stop it."


Barry Woodward - Jul 11, 2005 2:26:35 am PDT #1140 of 1424
I fought the law and I won!

Simon's words from the pilot:

"Money. And luck -- for two years I couldn't get near her, but I was contacted by some men, some underground movement. They said she was in danger, that the government was playing with her brain. If I funded them they could sneak her out in cryo. Get her to Boros and from there, I could take her... wherever."

Now does his rescue contradict that? From a certain point of view, namely mine, no. See, in my fanwank, the underground group helped him gain access to River in the first place but once he rescued her, he couldn't freely roam the streets of a core world where they were looking for her (and surely he was a suspect). That's why he had the same group put her in cryo and ship her to him in a less surveillance heavy section of the world (hence the "sneak her out" line), where he then caught a ride on Serenity in the pilot. Works for me.