Mal: You were dead! Tracy: Hunh? Oh. Right. Suppose I was. Hey there, Zoe.

'The Message'


Boxed Set, Vol. 1: Smallville, Due South, Farscape  

A topic for the discussion of Farscape, Smallville, and Due South. Beware possible invasions of Stargate, Highlander, or pretty much anything else that captures our fancy. Expect Adult Content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.


Consuela - May 06, 2004 8:45:00 pm PDT #5683 of 10000
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

the statement that none of them have changed since the humans were taken from Earth is way too broad.

I expect you're right. I just think all of them should have changed. Cause people? We change. Constantly. Language, mores, clothing, furniture.

We change.

::shrugs::

It's not a huge deal, it's just my deal.

Speaking of Stargate, I ficced again. For Vonnie & Katie.


Violet - May 06, 2004 9:11:40 pm PDT #5684 of 10000
"I go because it suits me."

I've been watching too much DS9. The symbiotes are confusing the hell out of me. Trills have a blended personality.

I also have this confusion. Listening to a Stargate commentary in which the production people were discussing Martouf & his symbiote Lantash, I found myself thinking (possible Martouf spoiler) "wouldn't Lantash have Martouf's memories & those of any hosts before him? If Sam were for some reason to host Lantash, wouldn't she have both Martouf and Jolinar's memories & be horribly confused?" Then I realized symbiotes aren't Trill, & I can no longer remember which rules govern what. Argh. Brain hurts!


Frankenbuddha - May 07, 2004 4:35:01 am PDT #5685 of 10000
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Then I realized symbiotes aren't Trill, & I can no longer remember which rules govern what. Argh. Brain hurts!

The symbiotes hang from the ceiling of the cave; the trills stick up from the floor of the cave. Easy peasy.


Emily - May 07, 2004 4:46:32 am PDT #5686 of 10000
"In the equation E = mc⬧, c⬧ is a pretty big honking number." - Scola

Violet, no, you're right (that is to say, that rule applies to symbiotes). That is, you would be right, if Stargate were that consistent in its characterization of the symbiote-host relationship. Bah! I crack myself up with the humor.


§ ita § - May 07, 2004 4:50:16 am PDT #5687 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

The new hosts get the memory of the old hosts? Where did we see that?

DS9 confused me in Invasive Procedures where Dax is moved to Lionel Luthor (you know what I mean), and the new blend acts like a complete ass, but when Dax goes back to Jadzia, it's all hugs and flowers. I'm not sure how consistent DS9 is -- people are still referred to as Jadzia or Dax -- at least the funky voice thing on Stargate makes it clear.


Emily - May 07, 2004 4:55:23 am PDT #5688 of 10000
"In the equation E = mc⬧, c⬧ is a pretty big honking number." - Scola

Umm... okay, nowhere. Curse you, wee ita! It's like you follow me around to point out the glaring holes in my hastily-composed, ill-thought-out posts!

But don't we see that the symbiote gets the memories of the host? And then the new host would get the memories of the symbiote? Sorta? Well, Sam anyway. So it's like: (xCy ^ yCz) -> xCz?

ETA: All posts today should be taken with a disclaimer: Now with added extra crazy!


Anne W. - May 07, 2004 5:02:04 am PDT #5689 of 10000
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

I always got the idea that with the Trill, the personalities and memories of host and symbiote got all blended and stuff, with the host's personality being a bit more dominant than the symbiote's (although affected by such).

With the Tok'ra, it's more like bringing in a roommate with the agreement that it's okay to go through each other's stuff, as long as you both help with the chores. Same deal with the Goa'uld, but with much more of a "Single White Female" vibe.


Emily - May 07, 2004 5:07:15 am PDT #5690 of 10000
"In the equation E = mc⬧, c⬧ is a pretty big honking number." - Scola

with the host's personality being a bit more dominant than the symbiote's (although affected by such).

True for Martouf/Lantash and Jacob/Selmac, but I think generally not. At least, that's the implication I was getting from that ep where the Tok'ra-Tauri alliance falls apart.

ita?


Anne W. - May 07, 2004 5:09:45 am PDT #5691 of 10000
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

That bit was more about the Trill than the Tok'ra.

I get the feeling from some of the Tok'ra that they're a pretty bossy bunch as a whole, and one of the reasons that they don't like being referred to as "Goa'uld" is because the comparison hits a little too close to home for some of them.


§ ita § - May 07, 2004 5:20:43 am PDT #5692 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Oh, Emily. I don't want to make you nervous. Because then I'll never be able to catch you outhave relaxed discussions with you.

Jolinar was certainly very bossy -- not just in dominating Sam, but imperious in general. The implication in Death Knell was that Tauri hosts weren't so used to subjugation, so perhaps harder to deal with.

Interesting Trill thing was that it seems an exjoined Trill doesn't remember the symbiote's memories, unlike the go'auld/to'kra ex-host.

Which makes me wonder -- Jack got locked out of all memories from his worm, eh?