Umm... okay, nowhere. Curse you, wee ita! It's like you follow me around to point out the glaring holes in my hastily-composed, ill-thought-out posts!

But don't we see that the symbiote gets the memories of the host? And then the new host would get the memories of the symbiote? Sorta? Well, Sam anyway. So it's like: (xCy ^ yCz) -> xCz?

ETA: All posts today should be taken with a disclaimer: Now with added extra crazy!

I always got the idea that with the Trill, the personalities and memories of host and symbiote got all blended and stuff, with the host's personality being a bit more dominant than the symbiote's (although affected by such).

With the Tok'ra, it's more like bringing in a roommate with the agreement that it's okay to go through each other's stuff, as long as you both help with the chores. Same deal with the Goa'uld, but with much more of a "Single White Female" vibe.

with the host's personality being a bit more dominant than the symbiote's (although affected by such).

True for Martouf/Lantash and Jacob/Selmac, but I think generally not. At least, that's the implication I was getting from that ep where the Tok'ra-Tauri alliance falls apart.

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That bit was more about the Trill than the Tok'ra.

I get the feeling from some of the Tok'ra that they're a pretty bossy bunch as a whole, and one of the reasons that they don't like being referred to as "Goa'uld" is because the comparison hits a little too close to home for some of them.

Oh, Emily. I don't want to make you nervous. Because then I'll never be able to catch you outhave relaxed discussions with you.

Jolinar was certainly very bossy -- not just in dominating Sam, but imperious in general. The implication in Death Knell was that Tauri hosts weren't so used to subjugation, so perhaps harder to deal with.

Interesting Trill thing was that it seems an exjoined Trill doesn't remember the symbiote's memories, unlike the go'auld/to'kra ex-host.

Which makes me wonder -- Jack got locked out of all memories from his worm, eh?

The new hosts get the memory of the old hosts? Where did we see that?

In "Summit," Random Female Tok'ra tells Sam that part of Martouf lives on in Lantash. Therefore, presumably older hosts would do so as well.

The implication in Death Knell was that Tauri hosts weren't so used to subjugation, so perhaps harder to deal with.

Have I mentioned how much I love this, and think it is dead-on? Because I do. (Except that Martouf did all the talking for his pairing. Lantash probably got made fun of down at the Tok'ra Pub for being host-whipped.)

Which makes me wonder -- Jack got locked out of all memories from his worm, eh?

As far as we know. (Minus the few from the actual rescue attempt.) Of course, Jack could just be suppressing; Sam's Jolinar memories didn't show up for a while, and they had to go digging with the memory device to get them back really strongly.

Jack had a specific deal going in, though -- everyone knew that he wanted as little "blending" as possible, so it may be that it's controllable by the symbiote.

I thought with Trills once they were joined they had the memories of the past hosts but the host still retains their personality.

I'm not sure which episode it is or what season (I know I saw it on the marathon thing Spike TV ran) Slight spoiler:

but on DS9 Jadiza goes on trial for a murder that Kurzon committed.

Part of Sisco's argument is that while the host shares the memories of the the past hosts they keep their same personalities.

Plus the Trill symboite doesn't have really have their own personalities...at least I never remember seeing Dax communicating with anyone or speaking for itself.

I thought with Trills once they were joined they had the memories of the past hosts but the host still retains their personality.

Except, in Invasive Procedures, Verad and Verad Dax have completely different personalities -- it's the basis on which Sisco persuades Mareel to betray him so they can take Dax out and put him back into Jadzia. Of course, Verad had been turned down for joining, so he may just be a pantywaist. (Hey, Tim Russ was a Klingon in that ep!)

I think it's that the Trill pairing is an individual, in ways the To'kra isn't. The To'kra symbiote is a hitchhiker who occasionally gets the wheel.

And Jadzia still feels responsible for things that Kerzon Dax did (Blood Oath). Now the trial is putting me in mind of Pretense. And I get dizzier.

Random Female Tok'ra tells Sam that part of Martouf lives on in Lantash

I wonder if this is as comprehensive as it seems to be with the Trill -- Verad Dax seemed to be comfortable with Jadzia surviving in him. But then again, he's a Luthor. Also, if the symbiote gets to keep memories of the host from before the joining.

Hey, if you really want to complicate things, they did a bunch of retconning w/r/t Trills, which first appeared on NextGen. Crusher fell in love the guy, something happened with his host, and they put the symbiote in Riker.

ObStargate: Poor Martouf.