I agree that it's perfectly okay not to fall in love with your Krakow. I just haven't seen the storyline played out so often that a wave of nausea overtakes me at the thought of a friends-becoming-lovers storyline. (Though I am sick of "they fight, then they kiss, then they fight!") This probably haas more to do with me not really watching a lot of TV, especially a lot of long running series, than anything else.

(Apropos of friends-to-more on TV, does anybody else remember Anything But Love, with Jamie Lee Curtis and Richard Lewis? I loved that show.)

Lyra, yes. And yes!

What Lyra Said. And if I had a Krakow, I'd try to love him.

I am pretty against trying to love people. I mean, Love love. For me. I don't want anyone to try and Love me, and can't imagine what would tempt me to try the same for anyone else.

This is quite probably related to my loveless life -- I'm not sure what the payoff would be, nor am I sure I can force it and still get the payoff.

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(Though I am sick of "they fight, then they kiss, then they fight!")

Yeah, that's the plotline I have a kneejerk reaction to. "They act like they hate each other because they want each other!" That's far more alien to my personal experience than friends-to-lovers. Which is a lot of why Buffy/Spike never did anything for me, I think; I just kept getting stuck on "but they don't really like each other!" There are whole swathes of the romantic comedy genre that just leave me totally cold.

I am pretty against trying to love people

In my experience, it's a bad idea. Which could have been explored with B/X, but would have ultimately marginalized Xander even further. So, glad they didn't go there.

I have a dear friend that I wanted to love very badly, and did for a while, cause he seemed perfect. I soon learned that he wasn't, and in ways that would (and did) make me crazy. So, I got over him. It wasn't pretty, but it happened.

I am pretty against trying to love people. I mean, Love love. For me. I don't want anyone to try and Love me, and can't imagine what would tempt me to try the same for anyone else.

ita is right. Love knows no logic, and you (well, for most values of "you" -- some people are wired differently) can't talk yourself or logic yourself or bully yourself into loving someone. Similarly, you can't persuade someone else to love you.

It would be a very different world if that wasn't true.

"They act like they hate each other because they want each other!" That's far more alien to my personal experience than friends-to-lovers

It's basically just the sixth grade thing of "he teases you because he likes you," only with sex. I didn't like it in the sixth grade, and I don't weant to see it on TV.

What's your reaction to Mulder/Scully, ita?

What's your reaction to Mulder/Scully, ita?

I think they loved each other a long time. And that doesn't tweak me. How crappily it was written does. When I feel the Relationship is put on top of the relationship without flowing, then I get angry. If I think they've been perfectly solid platonic friends for however long, and then boom! Twu Wuv! I wonder why we couldn't have just kept what we had.

Mulder and Scully were jealous around each other from season 1.

And while it's perfectly possible to be friends, and then discover love -- I yawn at its preponderance. Because I think it's lazy, lazy, lazy and overused, a way to get nookie tension without paying more actors.

Not all friends become lovers storylines squick me- I love When Harry Met Sally, and I've always rooted for Luke and Lorelai. I think those friendships have a proper undercurrent of sexual tension, and it seems like each party can hold his own- they are equals, whatever that means.

I guess I don't see Buffy and Xander as having that same pop, and one person clearly has the power in the relationship- same with the Angela and Brian dynamic. Willow and Xander I had no problem with (obviously pre "gay now") even though there was pining, probably because I saw them as being more on equal footing. It didn't ping me with the same undercurrent of being a bad person for not giving someone a chance.