You walk in worlds the others can't begin to imagine.

Drusilla ,'Conversations with Dead People'


Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.  

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§ ita § - Oct 12, 2004 10:52:30 am PDT #9214 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Friends-not-becoming-lovers happens so rarely on TV that I feel cheated when they take that type of relationship away.

What Jon said.

I love a good strong cross-gender friendship -- because they're not exciting, because men and women can never be friends (yet I loved When Harry Met Sally). I was imprinted, as a child, by things like Modesty/Willie, and glommed right onto Storm/Logan (let us not talk of what may be happening these days in Ultimate or elsewhere). Because it is not easy, and is rarer than sex, and failed relationships, and I'm all about the capital P in "Platonic."


§ ita § - Oct 12, 2004 10:53:11 am PDT #9215 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I've never heard anyone use this sentence before.

Me! Me!


Polter-Cow - Oct 12, 2004 10:55:23 am PDT #9216 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Me! Me!

We're both Hughes-deprived?

high-fives ita


P.M. Marc - Oct 12, 2004 12:02:24 pm PDT #9217 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

I was wondering whether people didn't believe friends-becoming-lovers actually happened in a positive way.

My issue, above and beyond how rare the Platonic is in the media, has more to do with the friend-who-pines-after-the-uninterested-friend getting the Girl/Boy/Other after the Girl/Boy/Other comes to His/Her/Its senses.

Friends-not-becoming-lovers happens so rarely on TV that I feel cheated when they take that type of relationship away.

With, of course, a side of this.


Sassy - Oct 12, 2004 12:17:03 pm PDT #9218 of 10001
'Til we dance away...

Plei is me. I think this idea of coming to your senses puts a lot of pressure on women (maybe it works for men and "nice girls" too, although I haven't put a lot of thought into it) to have feelings for the friend guy. The implication seems to be that if you're not attracted to the person pining for you that you're heartless or bitchy or something. Really, it's ok to not fall in love with your Brian Krakow.


§ ita § - Oct 12, 2004 12:18:13 pm PDT #9219 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Really, it's ok to not fall in love with your Brian Krakow.

I'm filled with a lot of (Platonic) love for a lot of people in this thread right now.

The rest of you are wackos.


Lyra Jane - Oct 12, 2004 1:02:19 pm PDT #9220 of 10001
Up with the sun

I agree that it's perfectly okay not to fall in love with your Krakow. I just haven't seen the storyline played out so often that a wave of nausea overtakes me at the thought of a friends-becoming-lovers storyline. (Though I am sick of "they fight, then they kiss, then they fight!") This probably haas more to do with me not really watching a lot of TV, especially a lot of long running series, than anything else.

(Apropos of friends-to-more on TV, does anybody else remember Anything But Love, with Jamie Lee Curtis and Richard Lewis? I loved that show.)


Beverly - Oct 12, 2004 1:13:03 pm PDT #9221 of 10001
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

Lyra, yes. And yes!


erikaj - Oct 12, 2004 1:16:13 pm PDT #9222 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!

What Lyra Said. And if I had a Krakow, I'd try to love him.


§ ita § - Oct 12, 2004 1:19:16 pm PDT #9223 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I am pretty against trying to love people. I mean, Love love. For me. I don't want anyone to try and Love me, and can't imagine what would tempt me to try the same for anyone else.

This is quite probably related to my loveless life -- I'm not sure what the payoff would be, nor am I sure I can force it and still get the payoff.

t /thread drift