I liked it too. I figured we were seeing everything through a miserable!Buffy lens, so it didn't bother me that Samantha seemed so perfect.
Jayne: Anybody remember her comin' at me with a butcher's knife? Wash: Wacky fun.
'Objects In Space'
Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.
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Topic!Cindy - Oct 05, 2004 9:34:07 am PDT #9072 of 10001
What is even happening?
Vortex - Oct 05, 2004 9:36:41 am PDT #9073 of 10001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman
Riley's shining moment was his resigned, "but she doesn't love me."
such a great moment. your heart stopped. he should have just fucking sacked up and left. But nooooo, he had to go get munched on by a vampire. Passive aggressive much?
-t - Oct 05, 2004 9:38:24 am PDT #9074 of 10001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration
I'll just sit here and nod.
ChiKat - Oct 05, 2004 9:40:40 am PDT #9075 of 10001
That man was going to shank me. Over an omelette. Two eggs and a slice of government cheese. Is that what my life is worth?
I'm not sure she said she loved him though
Now that you say that, Cindy, I'm not sure she ever said it to him. I guess I was drawing conclusions after her "run after him if you love him" conversation with Xander.
Riley's shining moment was his resigned, "but she doesn't love me."
He should have really just left then, or he and Buffy should have had a slow, painless sizzle. The melodrama only weakened the real pain there. Understatement was called for.
Once again agreeing with victor.
I feel like Buffy was using her Slayerness as a wall between her and Riley. It seemed to me that she used her Destiny as a way to keep parts of herself separate from him. She told him that she gave him as much as she could and that wasn't enough for him. But is that true? Or just her viewpoint?
-t - Oct 05, 2004 10:02:55 am PDT #9076 of 10001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration
She told him that she gave him as much as she could and that wasn't enough for him. But is that true?
Yeah, I think it was. Kind of part of the whole not loving him thing, really. I don't know that that was so much a Slayer thing as a Buffy thing.
Vortex - Oct 05, 2004 10:05:01 am PDT #9077 of 10001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman
And, in all fairness to Buffy, HER MOTHER WAS DYING. She had to deal with that, take care of her, and take care of her "sister". She didn't have enough left for a relationship.
§ ita § - Oct 05, 2004 10:07:50 am PDT #9078 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I feel like Buffy was using her Slayerness as a wall between her and Riley.
I feel like her Slayerness was a wall. He had issues with it too. She didn't need to wield it so to make it true.
And that's aside from the mother dying thing.
ChiKat - Oct 05, 2004 10:13:33 am PDT #9079 of 10001
That man was going to shank me. Over an omelette. Two eggs and a slice of government cheese. Is that what my life is worth?
And, in all fairness to Buffy, HER MOTHER WAS DYING. She had to deal with that, take care of her, and take care of her "sister". She didn't have enough left for a relationship.
Oh, I'm not blaming Buffy for the way she felt. The way she felt was the way she felt. She was majorly stressed and Riley was a bit needy and whiny there at the end. Especially when she could have used some support from him and she didn't get it.
I feel like her Slayerness was a wall. He had issues with it too.
Oh, yes. He had some major issues with her being stronger than him and it taking away time/focus/energy from him. No question.
She didn't need to wield it so to make it true.
My question is, did she wield it? Or did she take advantage of something that was already there?
Matt the Bruins fan - Oct 05, 2004 10:13:37 am PDT #9080 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
Victor, Thessaly, so sorry to hear about the ferret.
I liked early Riley too, though I was sufficiently disenchanted by his later Clenchy McLockjaw military stuff that by the time of "The Yoko Factor" I was rooting for Angel to kill him.
§ ita § - Oct 05, 2004 10:15:20 am PDT #9081 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
My question is, did she wield it? Or did she take advantage of something that was already there?
I think neither. It's something like, in my view, did she wield the death of her mother, or did she take advantage of what was already there? Also, when did she stop beating her wife?
I don't presume her guilty. I think she tried, and failed.