I agree. I felt like Riley (as a character) got trashed. Now that's a weird thing for me to say, because I enjoyed his slide to the pathetic corner of the dark side. I did not enjoy his whinging, though. And I felt badly that he left the way he left. I think that's one of the non-Buffy reasons I liked As You Were. Riley's last note was less sour.
Buffy: How bored were you last year? Giles: I watched 'Passions' with Spike. Let us never speak of it.
'Beneath You'
Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.
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Topic!Cindy - Oct 05, 2004 9:27:07 am PDT #9070 of 10001
What is even happening?
victor infante - Oct 05, 2004 9:33:14 am PDT #9071 of 10001
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.
Riley's last note was less sour.
Yeah,that wasn't the best of episodes, but that at least made me happy. Plus, I kind of like the nick and Nora Fury, secret agent stuff. because I am a geek.
Topic!Cindy - Oct 05, 2004 9:34:07 am PDT #9072 of 10001
What is even happening?
I liked it too. I figured we were seeing everything through a miserable!Buffy lens, so it didn't bother me that Samantha seemed so perfect.
Vortex - Oct 05, 2004 9:36:41 am PDT #9073 of 10001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman
Riley's shining moment was his resigned, "but she doesn't love me."
such a great moment. your heart stopped. he should have just fucking sacked up and left. But nooooo, he had to go get munched on by a vampire. Passive aggressive much?
-t - Oct 05, 2004 9:38:24 am PDT #9074 of 10001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration
I'll just sit here and nod.
ChiKat - Oct 05, 2004 9:40:40 am PDT #9075 of 10001
That man was going to shank me. Over an omelette. Two eggs and a slice of government cheese. Is that what my life is worth?
I'm not sure she said she loved him though
Now that you say that, Cindy, I'm not sure she ever said it to him. I guess I was drawing conclusions after her "run after him if you love him" conversation with Xander.
Riley's shining moment was his resigned, "but she doesn't love me."
He should have really just left then, or he and Buffy should have had a slow, painless sizzle. The melodrama only weakened the real pain there. Understatement was called for.
Once again agreeing with victor.
I feel like Buffy was using her Slayerness as a wall between her and Riley. It seemed to me that she used her Destiny as a way to keep parts of herself separate from him. She told him that she gave him as much as she could and that wasn't enough for him. But is that true? Or just her viewpoint?
-t - Oct 05, 2004 10:02:55 am PDT #9076 of 10001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration
She told him that she gave him as much as she could and that wasn't enough for him. But is that true?
Yeah, I think it was. Kind of part of the whole not loving him thing, really. I don't know that that was so much a Slayer thing as a Buffy thing.
Vortex - Oct 05, 2004 10:05:01 am PDT #9077 of 10001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman
And, in all fairness to Buffy, HER MOTHER WAS DYING. She had to deal with that, take care of her, and take care of her "sister". She didn't have enough left for a relationship.
§ ita § - Oct 05, 2004 10:07:50 am PDT #9078 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I feel like Buffy was using her Slayerness as a wall between her and Riley.
I feel like her Slayerness was a wall. He had issues with it too. She didn't need to wield it so to make it true.
And that's aside from the mother dying thing.
ChiKat - Oct 05, 2004 10:13:33 am PDT #9079 of 10001
That man was going to shank me. Over an omelette. Two eggs and a slice of government cheese. Is that what my life is worth?
And, in all fairness to Buffy, HER MOTHER WAS DYING. She had to deal with that, take care of her, and take care of her "sister". She didn't have enough left for a relationship.
Oh, I'm not blaming Buffy for the way she felt. The way she felt was the way she felt. She was majorly stressed and Riley was a bit needy and whiny there at the end. Especially when she could have used some support from him and she didn't get it.
I feel like her Slayerness was a wall. He had issues with it too.
Oh, yes. He had some major issues with her being stronger than him and it taking away time/focus/energy from him. No question.
She didn't need to wield it so to make it true.
My question is, did she wield it? Or did she take advantage of something that was already there?