I'm sorry to hear about the ferrets, victor.
sumi and Vortex have summed up my position on Buffy and Riley. She wanted to love him, and may have convinced herself she did, but we omniscient viewers know better.
Zoe: Captain will come up with a plan. Kaylee: That's good. Right? Zoe: Possibly you're not recalling some of his previous plans.
'Safe'
Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.
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-t - Oct 05, 2004 9:20:26 am PDT #9067 of 10001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration
Fred Pete - Oct 05, 2004 9:21:45 am PDT #9068 of 10001
Ann, that's a ferret.
Tending to agree with much of the "did Buffy love Riley" ideas, but I think she also felt the need for A Boyfriend, and Riley loved her.
When she decided not to call Ben, it was like a light bulb went off in her head that it was ok to be unattached. Which suggests to me that she'd been in the mode of "gotta have someone" up until then.
victor infante - Oct 05, 2004 9:24:47 am PDT #9069 of 10001
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.
Riley's shining moment was his resigned, "but she doesn't love me."
He should have really just left then, or he and Buffy should have had a slow, painless sizzle. The melodrama only weakened the real pain there. Understatement was called for.
Topic!Cindy - Oct 05, 2004 9:27:07 am PDT #9070 of 10001
What is even happening?
I agree. I felt like Riley (as a character) got trashed. Now that's a weird thing for me to say, because I enjoyed his slide to the pathetic corner of the dark side. I did not enjoy his whinging, though. And I felt badly that he left the way he left. I think that's one of the non-Buffy reasons I liked As You Were. Riley's last note was less sour.
victor infante - Oct 05, 2004 9:33:14 am PDT #9071 of 10001
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.
Riley's last note was less sour.
Yeah,that wasn't the best of episodes, but that at least made me happy. Plus, I kind of like the nick and Nora Fury, secret agent stuff. because I am a geek.
Topic!Cindy - Oct 05, 2004 9:34:07 am PDT #9072 of 10001
What is even happening?
I liked it too. I figured we were seeing everything through a miserable!Buffy lens, so it didn't bother me that Samantha seemed so perfect.
Vortex - Oct 05, 2004 9:36:41 am PDT #9073 of 10001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman
Riley's shining moment was his resigned, "but she doesn't love me."
such a great moment. your heart stopped. he should have just fucking sacked up and left. But nooooo, he had to go get munched on by a vampire. Passive aggressive much?
-t - Oct 05, 2004 9:38:24 am PDT #9074 of 10001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration
I'll just sit here and nod.
ChiKat - Oct 05, 2004 9:40:40 am PDT #9075 of 10001
That man was going to shank me. Over an omelette. Two eggs and a slice of government cheese. Is that what my life is worth?
I'm not sure she said she loved him though
Now that you say that, Cindy, I'm not sure she ever said it to him. I guess I was drawing conclusions after her "run after him if you love him" conversation with Xander.
Riley's shining moment was his resigned, "but she doesn't love me."
He should have really just left then, or he and Buffy should have had a slow, painless sizzle. The melodrama only weakened the real pain there. Understatement was called for.
Once again agreeing with victor.
I feel like Buffy was using her Slayerness as a wall between her and Riley. It seemed to me that she used her Destiny as a way to keep parts of herself separate from him. She told him that she gave him as much as she could and that wasn't enough for him. But is that true? Or just her viewpoint?
-t - Oct 05, 2004 10:02:55 am PDT #9076 of 10001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration
She told him that she gave him as much as she could and that wasn't enough for him. But is that true?
Yeah, I think it was. Kind of part of the whole not loving him thing, really. I don't know that that was so much a Slayer thing as a Buffy thing.