Even though S7 makes me more angry.

It was the wasted potential, and the unwasted potentials, methinks. Plus, lack of follow-through on season 6, I also guess.

But I can't forgive Angel 3 and 4 for some of the stuff you do, even for meta reasons.

And Buffy 4 is still big in my heart (it was also a big conversion-of-other-people season for me).

But I can't forgive Angel 3 and 4 for some of the stuff you do, even for meta reasons.

Honestly, AtS 4 hit my brain at its exact wavelength or something. I didn't see much that *needed* forgiving. (And I wrote CoCo pre-canon, so, you know, seemingly missing the squick bone.)

And S3, I forgive for reasons that are hella shallow.

S4 AtS (Best. Season. Ever.)

Plei, I share your love. It blew me the hell away. I hope it stands up on the rewatch. I saw "Habeas Corpses" again the other night, and I'd forgotten how kind of annoying all the jealous relationship stuff was.

I think S3 is my favorite Buffy season, followed very closely by S2. I really don't know where S1 goes, but S4 and S5 come before S6 and S7. I don't share the S5 hate, really. On the re-watch, I kind of saw what wasn't great about it, but I still liked it. And as people who hang out in Minearverse know, I'm a "Spiral" fan.

I'm going through S6 now, and I'm about to hit "Smashed" and "Wrecked" and "Gone," which should be delightful (actually, I don't remember minding "Gone" so much, invisibility is fun).

And S7, well...yeah. I was watching it at the same time as Angel S4, and there was no comparison.

I watched most episodes of S4 three times the week they aired.

It was gooooooooooood.

Hmmm...

BtVS 3 (I can't think of an ep that I dislike and the Faith/Buffy arc rocked)
AtS 4 (Every. Minute of it.)
BtVS 2, AtS 2 tie (Gah. All of it - futile, sad, and lovely.)
AtS 3 (there are things in there that make me crazy (Cordelia), but overall goodness)
BtVS 1 (Shiny!)
AtS 1
BtVS 6 (word on the depression arc, but the season fell apart at the end for me)
BtVS 4
BtVS 5
BtVS 7 - (ugh. Add 100 points for Selfless. Deduct a thousand points for potential squandered)

Not putting AtS 5 in there yet, since I need to see the whole season.

If Angel S2 had stopped one episode before Pylea, I'd call it my favourite season of TV ever.

The bastards.

I agree with you, Plei. Season four of Angel was just so frickin' cohesive - start to finish - so consistent emotionally. So great. Even though I like Seasons 2 of BtVS better (because of the 2nd half), I know intellectually that AtS S4 was better. I would rank them:

BtVS S2

AtS S4

BtVS S3

AtS S2

BtVS S4

BtVS S1

AtS S1

AtS S3

BtVS S5

BtVS S6

BtVS S7

AtS S5

Maybe I need to watch AtS season four again. Honestly, I didn't love it. Connor caused me physical pain at times with his badness, and Jasmine was not my favorite big bad at all. I liked the earlier guy better.

Badass Wesley was foamy, though.

Did like the Willow/Fred flirtation in that one episode an awful lot. They're clearly made for each other.

I loved the BonBon.

And I adored Jasmine.

And I need S4 on DVD, so I can wallow. Mmm.

And I need S4 on DVD, so I can wallow. Mmm.

Me too. Did you hear? SEVEN COMMENTARY TRACKS. My God.

And the S4 Overview? IS FORTY MINUTES LONG.

Come now, September. Come now, damn you!