Willow: It feels like we're going around in circles. Xander: Our circles are going around in circles. We got dizzy circles here.

'Sleeper'


Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.  

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Elena - Jan 04, 2004 5:47:34 pm PST #7091 of 10001
Thanks for all the fish.

I still think it's silly that it was kept a secret for four years, then came up in one conversation and never again, but that's my loathing for loose ends of the un-pointed variety.

On this we agree 100%. I thought it was an excellent bit of continuity that would cause a massive uproar in the fandom and the relationships on the show. Instead it was nothing. And in retrospect it seems like an attempt to pander to long time viewers.


P.M. Marc - Jan 04, 2004 6:00:39 pm PST #7092 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

I feel like the show itself was too hard on Buffy and not sufficiently hard on Riley throughout ItW and AYW.

Word. It was... disconcerting, and one of my major beefs with AYW.


sj - Jan 04, 2004 6:04:29 pm PST #7093 of 10001
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

Even Buffy herself was not hard on Riley in AYW, which really aggravated me. I guess she was too busy being so hard on herself.


Elena - Jan 04, 2004 6:07:24 pm PST #7094 of 10001
Thanks for all the fish.

Which is why Buffy needed to catch the helicopter in ITW and then tell Riley that she hopes he has a nice trip to the Central Republic of Where-In-The-Hell.


ted r - Jan 04, 2004 6:13:59 pm PST #7095 of 10001
"You got twelve, and they got twelve. The old ladies are just as good as you are." -Dr. Einstein

I feel like the show itself was too hard on Buffy and not sufficiently hard on Riley throughout ItW and AYW.

Well that is a matter of one's pov (whether you identify more with Riley's situation or Buffy's). But I'm not suicidal enough to engage in THAT debate here. :)


Elena - Jan 04, 2004 6:14:53 pm PST #7096 of 10001
Thanks for all the fish.

Sure, but the show's not called Riley, boyfriend of the Vampire Slayer.


Steph L. - Jan 04, 2004 6:19:04 pm PST #7097 of 10001
I look more rad than Lutheranism

(whether you identify more with Riley's situation or Buffy's)

Hmm. I can't quite feel sorry for Riley. He felt neglected because his girlfriend wasn't as attentive as he'd like -- because her mother had a BRAIN TUMOR??? Too fucking bad. Grow up, honey. Your girlfriend might just be a little preoccupied for a while.


P.M. Marc - Jan 04, 2004 6:20:04 pm PST #7098 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

You know, it's possible to sympathize with Riley to an extent and still see that, all pretense of moral relativism aside, the boy was wronger than a wrong thing that's got the wrong answer after taking a wrong turn into Wrongville whilst driving the Wrongwagon.

Which would be the reason that the narrative jars.


Katie M - Jan 04, 2004 6:21:28 pm PST #7099 of 10001
I was charmed (albeit somewhat perplexed) by the fannish sensibility of many of the music choices -- it's like the director was trying to vid Canada. --loligo on the Olympic Opening Ceremonies

Yeah, Plei speaks for me in this case.


Steph L. - Jan 04, 2004 6:25:17 pm PST #7100 of 10001
I look more rad than Lutheranism

Don't get me wrong -- I am the neediest person alive. I understand Riley being a needy greedy boyfriend. And yet blaming Buffy for why he got suckjobs is still wrong.