Do you see any goats around? No, because I sacrificed them.

Willow ,'Showtime'


Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.  

This is where we talk about Buffy the Vampire Slayer! No spoilers though?if you post one by accident, an admin will delete it. This thread is NO LONGER NAFDA. Please don't discuss current Angel events here.


DCJensen - Aug 07, 2003 2:58:12 pm PDT #4330 of 10001
All is well that ends in pizza.

A well-handled Xander Sue.


JohnSweden - Aug 07, 2003 2:59:23 pm PDT #4331 of 10001
I can't even.

Stupid allergies. Every. single. time.

Right on. I teared up, and I'm at work staring at a computer screen! Maybe I'll go home and pop B2 into the dvd player.


P.M. Marc - Aug 07, 2003 3:00:15 pm PDT #4332 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

If Xander is Joss's avatar, and B/X is the OTP, wouldn't that make Xander a Mary Sue?

I think this is pretty much why it never happened, although I am not hip with the slashy fic lingo or canon.

Translation: If Xander is Joss's avatar, and Buffy and Xander are the One True Destined Forever Pairing, wouldn't that make Xander a creation defined by masturbatory authorial self-insertion?


DCJensen - Aug 07, 2003 3:00:53 pm PDT #4333 of 10001
All is well that ends in pizza.

"Incredibly poignient Sarah McLaughlin song" listed in the script.

I'm with Steph, except they're *manly* allergies....

:/


JohnSweden - Aug 07, 2003 3:02:40 pm PDT #4334 of 10001
I can't even.

Translation: If Xander is Joss's avatar, and Buffy and Xander are the One True Destined Forever Pairing, wouldn't that make Xander a creation defined by masturbatory authorial self-insertion?

Yup.

-crickets-

So, uh, how about that Joss poking his own eye out with his cross-series crush object near the end of S7?


DavidS - Aug 07, 2003 3:05:28 pm PDT #4335 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

So, uh, how about that Joss poking his own eye out with his cross-series crush object near the end of S7?

Heh. It all makes a delightfully twisted kind of sense.


Miss Vanna - Aug 07, 2003 3:11:40 pm PDT #4336 of 10001
I 've been hands under the shirt, over the bra, Calvins in a wad on the front seat with some S7 Buffy spoilers - but we never went all the way ~tinaf

I'm not the only one who keeps watching the reruns and still waiting for Buffy to get there in time am I? See, if Joss were really a superdupergenious, he would have shot alternate endings for every show, that all made sense and then replayed them years after the show concluded. Or that's just my sick little head going into no new Buffy withdrawl.

But the new video game is looking promising at least.

And with the unfinished business, do you think there was supposed to be more Kendra, but reaction to her was weak and the nixed her? I've always wondered that.


Burrell - Aug 07, 2003 3:13:11 pm PDT #4337 of 10001
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

So, uh, how about that Joss poking his own eye out with his cross-series crush object near the end of S7?

Ah, see you're missing the idea that in syllogism logic, both the first and second points need to be true in order for the third to be true. Since B/X is not the OTP, Xander is not necessarily a Mary Sue.


§ ita § - Aug 07, 2003 3:19:48 pm PDT #4338 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I don't think things ever went well or tragically enough for him, or he was highly enough regarded to be a Mary Sue.

Just authorial insertion.


JohnSweden - Aug 07, 2003 3:39:24 pm PDT #4339 of 10001
I can't even.

Ah, see you're missing the idea that in syllogism logic, both the first and second points need to be true in order for the third to be true. Since B/X is not the OTP, Xander is not necessarily a Mary Sue.

No, I get it. The show doesn't really offer us any OTP, in the end, so we're just riffin' here. Thus, my snerk about Joss' masochistic crush on Nate. My suggestion was that B/X was OTP, because it's all about Joss, thus sparking horror (because, y'know, normal guy, not psychotic dead demon). However, that doesn't allow me to get into the real OTP, Buffy/Giles.

[flees]