Ah, see you're missing the idea that in syllogism logic, both the first and second points need to be true in order for the third to be true. Since B/X is not the OTP, Xander is not necessarily a Mary Sue.

No, I get it. The show doesn't really offer us any OTP, in the end, so we're just riffin' here. Thus, my snerk about Joss' masochistic crush on Nate. My suggestion was that B/X was OTP, because it's all about Joss, thus sparking horror (because, y'know, normal guy, not psychotic dead demon). However, that doesn't allow me to get into the real OTP, Buffy/Giles.

[flees]

I don't think B/X is OTP, I just think it was possible at a number of points. I would've preferred that they had a romance and then became friends after that. Ple has convinced me that Buffy should be with Wes.

But Plei is wrong. Buffy needs to go erm...work out her issues with Wesley. They part, their relationship help Wes come to terms with his failure as a watcher and the daddy issues it exacerbated. Buffy, having finally been involved in a relationship of her choosing, not forever from the get go (and also working out her daddy issues), in the end, ends up with Xander.

(BECAUSE THEY ARE THE OTP!!!!!!!!)

Alls I know is, after reading Victor's FE tie-together, I can't ditch D/X.

Alls I know is, after reading Victor's FE tie-together, I can't ditch D/X.

DoNnXnRd4EvAH!!!!!

Err. In a couple of years...

I had a friend who dated a 16 year old when he was in his early 20s. He said he didn't realize until later how, er, notable, that age difference was.

I was shocked and appalled by how young the girlfriend of one of my friends in college was (although her family's approval of the pairing apparently cleared up any legal quandries). He wisely waited to tell me until after they'd broken up - her friends started getting their drivers' licenses and suddenly dating a guy almost half her age again didn't seem so cool.

Overrated: Xander's speech to Dawn in "Potential." It's not special. It's not extraordinary. It's just too long. I don't hate the text, but I get antsy watching it.

Underrated: "Primeval." I watched this before all the eps where the Initiative was only three guys sneaking past a bush and Adam was "let me read you this encyclopedia I downloaded from my floppy drive." The first time I saw Adam and the Initiative, he had an army and a messiah complex and they had a huge shiny compound and a doomed last stand. They were both cool. "Primeval" is one of my most-rewatched episodes.

hairloaf bogarting the chicks, IIRC, but then he got punished.

"Man that guy got some major neck in his day"

Sorry, that's going back a ways, but I'm catching up late.

I always thought that B/X was the most logical pairing in the show, but I was happy that it never happened.

Bad Slo-Mo? Buffy's mouse punches during OMWF as Giles sings.

Wasn't that supposed to be crap slo-mo? Buffy was talking about crap 80s films just before they launched into song after all.

I recall him saying at somepoint that the groundwork was laid deliberately for either Willow or Xander, they just hadn't decided which one yet.

I think this is something Joss made up later. It seems to me that these were the factors that lead to lesbian!Willow: 1) SG left the show.
2) They had the idea for BigBad!Willow, and knew they needed to kill her lover for her to get there.
3) AH and AB had good chemistry, so they decided to go with a lesbian relationship rather than a straight one.

I mean, I agree there were moments that could be seen as foreshadowing of her gayness, but there pretty much are for all Jossverse people. If Tara/Willow hadn't happened I don't think we would have expected it, IYKWIM.

If B/X had happened, it would have been in S4. But me? I'm glad it didn't. It's nice to see a platonic relationship on TV.