Ok, Hec. I think I would've bought B?X uptil season 3. Overrated SMG's sexiness. Underrated; AH's.
So, how was your summer? Mine was fun. Saw some fish. Went mad with hunger. Hallucinated a whole bunch.
Angel ,'Conviction (1)'
Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.
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erikaj - Aug 07, 2003 1:16:52 pm PDT #4293 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!
DavidS - Aug 07, 2003 1:17:01 pm PDT #4294 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
I don't think in a core cast of 4, two of them get to be that solidly happy. No way, no how, no Joss.
Zoe/Wash are sort of...down the line. As if Buffy and Xander type characters had a happy ending. Or...continuation.
DavidS - Aug 07, 2003 1:18:20 pm PDT #4295 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
Overrated SMG's sexiness. Underrated; AH.
Heh - well, you know I'm down with that.
§ ita § - Aug 07, 2003 1:18:40 pm PDT #4296 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
As if Buffy and Xander type characters had a happy ending. Or...continuation.
What's your supporting documentation? Besides that she fights and he's a goof?
I don't think S1 B/X could ever have lasted long enough to be down the line, and post S3, it was never going to happen.
What happened in S2 again?
amych - Aug 07, 2003 1:20:24 pm PDT #4297 of 10001
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?
Cause I dug Sipowicz, but he's not pretty enough to torture.
Eternal wisdom, right there.
Sophia Brooks - Aug 07, 2003 1:22:35 pm PDT #4298 of 10001
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here
I am no Buffy/Xander shipper, but I think Buffy Xander could actually happen in a few years. Once Buffy is cookies.
DavidS - Aug 07, 2003 1:25:23 pm PDT #4299 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
What's your supporting documentation? Besides that she fights and he's a goof?
Well, it's all speculation so I'm short on documentation. I think Xander maps to Wash pretty easily. Wash is post-competence Xander, except he flies spaceships instead of fixing window frames. Buffy maps less clearly to Zoe - they're very different kind of warriors. But they're both Big Damn Heroes and both couplings would engender a kind of "What's she doing with him?" kind of first impression.
I don't think S1 B/X could ever have lasted long enough to be down the line, and post S3, it was never going to happen.
I think that Joss had a habit of throwing things out there that he might or might not pickup later. It's been commented that if Xander had been developed into a gay character his encounter with Larry would've been seen as prescient, instead of Vamp!Willow's gay-Now-ness. I think they had moments of intimacy between Buffy and Xander where they hinted she might have more feelings for him. The two moments that come to mind were when she sort of leaned lovingly into him while he was wearing the puffy attacker suit in training, and the way she looked at him in Hell's Bells when he was getting dressed in his tuxedo.
What happened in S2 again?
Stuff. Neck snapping.
brenda m - Aug 07, 2003 1:27:10 pm PDT #4300 of 10001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there
I still think Zoe/Wash is his vision of that
Ooh, interesting.
Which is to say, less facetiously, I don't think in a core cast of 4, two of them get to be that solidly happy. No way, no how, no Joss.
But I think you're both right. I can see the idea being there in early Buffy, but ita's right, it wouldn't have worked in the context of the show. Which is why it was put aside and revamped, so to speak, in a context where it did work. And how.
JohnSweden - Aug 07, 2003 1:28:04 pm PDT #4301 of 10001
I can't even.
What happened in S2 again?
Stuff. Neck snapping.
Hairloaf bogarting the chicks, IIRC, but then he got punished.
§ ita § - Aug 07, 2003 1:28:22 pm PDT #4302 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Neck snapping.
Right. I remember now.
I see Buffy and Zoe as way different, not least of all because of my Zoe!crush, and my inability to see Buffy becoming a woman who inspires that sort of feeling in me.
But ... I never would've asked why Z/W, or B/X (well, except to ask you, right now -- I just don't think they're OTP material).