But if the world doesn't end, I'm gonna need a note.

Cordelia ,'Potential'


Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.  

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Sophia Brooks - Aug 07, 2003 1:22:35 pm PDT #4298 of 10001
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

I am no Buffy/Xander shipper, but I think Buffy Xander could actually happen in a few years. Once Buffy is cookies.


DavidS - Aug 07, 2003 1:25:23 pm PDT #4299 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

What's your supporting documentation? Besides that she fights and he's a goof?

Well, it's all speculation so I'm short on documentation. I think Xander maps to Wash pretty easily. Wash is post-competence Xander, except he flies spaceships instead of fixing window frames. Buffy maps less clearly to Zoe - they're very different kind of warriors. But they're both Big Damn Heroes and both couplings would engender a kind of "What's she doing with him?" kind of first impression.

I don't think S1 B/X could ever have lasted long enough to be down the line, and post S3, it was never going to happen.

I think that Joss had a habit of throwing things out there that he might or might not pickup later. It's been commented that if Xander had been developed into a gay character his encounter with Larry would've been seen as prescient, instead of Vamp!Willow's gay-Now-ness. I think they had moments of intimacy between Buffy and Xander where they hinted she might have more feelings for him. The two moments that come to mind were when she sort of leaned lovingly into him while he was wearing the puffy attacker suit in training, and the way she looked at him in Hell's Bells when he was getting dressed in his tuxedo.

What happened in S2 again?

Stuff. Neck snapping.


brenda m - Aug 07, 2003 1:27:10 pm PDT #4300 of 10001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

I still think Zoe/Wash is his vision of that

Ooh, interesting.

Which is to say, less facetiously, I don't think in a core cast of 4, two of them get to be that solidly happy. No way, no how, no Joss.

But I think you're both right. I can see the idea being there in early Buffy, but ita's right, it wouldn't have worked in the context of the show. Which is why it was put aside and revamped, so to speak, in a context where it did work. And how.


JohnSweden - Aug 07, 2003 1:28:04 pm PDT #4301 of 10001
I can't even.

What happened in S2 again?

Stuff. Neck snapping.

Hairloaf bogarting the chicks, IIRC, but then he got punished.


§ ita § - Aug 07, 2003 1:28:22 pm PDT #4302 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Neck snapping.

Right. I remember now.

I see Buffy and Zoe as way different, not least of all because of my Zoe!crush, and my inability to see Buffy becoming a woman who inspires that sort of feeling in me.

But ... I never would've asked why Z/W, or B/X (well, except to ask you, right now -- I just don't think they're OTP material).


Sean K - Aug 07, 2003 1:28:27 pm PDT #4303 of 10001
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

What's your supporting documentation? Besides that she fights and he's a goof?

Yeah, but this kind of thing can't be canoned through, it's a gut feeling thing.


Sean K - Aug 07, 2003 1:30:21 pm PDT #4304 of 10001
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

Cereal:

Nevermind Hec said words better.


§ ita § - Aug 07, 2003 1:31:43 pm PDT #4305 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

but this kind of thing can't be canoned through, it's a gut feeling thing.

I know it can't be canoned, but I suspect my gut feeling that Harmony would have slept with Cordy, then, is more baseless than Hec's B/X.

If it's not up for expansion, it's hardly a conversation starter. And Hec knows his conversation starters.


erikaj - Aug 07, 2003 1:33:06 pm PDT #4306 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!

He does that.


Sean K - Aug 07, 2003 1:33:47 pm PDT #4307 of 10001
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

I suspect my gut feeling that Harmony would have slept with Cordy, then, is more baseless than Hec's B/X.

Nonsense! Harm and Cordy at a party + too much alcohol...

Okay, yeah, there's not much of a conversation there.