I still think Zoe/Wash is his vision of that

Ooh, interesting.

Which is to say, less facetiously, I don't think in a core cast of 4, two of them get to be that solidly happy. No way, no how, no Joss.

But I think you're both right. I can see the idea being there in early Buffy, but ita's right, it wouldn't have worked in the context of the show. Which is why it was put aside and revamped, so to speak, in a context where it did work. And how.

What happened in S2 again?

Stuff. Neck snapping.

Hairloaf bogarting the chicks, IIRC, but then he got punished.

Neck snapping.

Right. I remember now.

I see Buffy and Zoe as way different, not least of all because of my Zoe!crush, and my inability to see Buffy becoming a woman who inspires that sort of feeling in me.

But ... I never would've asked why Z/W, or B/X (well, except to ask you, right now -- I just don't think they're OTP material).

What's your supporting documentation? Besides that she fights and he's a goof?

Yeah, but this kind of thing can't be canoned through, it's a gut feeling thing.

Cereal:

Nevermind Hec said words better.

but this kind of thing can't be canoned through, it's a gut feeling thing.

I know it can't be canoned, but I suspect my gut feeling that Harmony would have slept with Cordy, then, is more baseless than Hec's B/X.

If it's not up for expansion, it's hardly a conversation starter. And Hec knows his conversation starters.

He does that.

I suspect my gut feeling that Harmony would have slept with Cordy, then, is more baseless than Hec's B/X.

Nonsense! Harm and Cordy at a party + too much alcohol...

Okay, yeah, there's not much of a conversation there.

I think I remember a reference to Joss saying he was thinking about making Xander gay, but am I merely playing wish-fulfillment games with myself?

I could picture it. Not exactly admiringly, but...H/C, I meant.