"It's why I didn't care that what Giles first read about Anyanka in The Wish's wishverse, didn't jibe with stuff we saw later. It's canon that Wish!Giles read a book, but the book doesn't have to be right."
Cindy -- excellent point, by the way. The books in the Buffyverse have more than just historical value. As we saw in Angel S3, prophecies can be altered with the right combination of power and intellect. And, more importantly, the way people read said altered prophecies can affect the outcome of continuity. Because the core element of the S3 foreshadowing -- "the father shall kill the son," came true, in S4.
Again, evil attacks with lies. And it does with truth. And "documented" truth. Which makes the books a point of reference, but not entirely reliable.
"The bigger thing to me is a lack of mentioning the big slayer power up in Chosen. I mean, c'mon, didn't Joss have all this planned out on a big chart in his room when he was 15???"
This has to play out in one way or another, either in the comic or perhaps in whatever constitutes the Buffy spinoff, or on Angel S5. Willow just performed a major deus ex machina. MILLIONS of Slayers could have been activated. The African shamans who "managed" the Slayers had their delicate arrangement undone rather quickly. Plus, there was never any guarantee that the First Evil was actually indeed as powerful as it claimed it was.
Willow may have overreacted. In the short-term, no, because the asset Buffy and Co. needed was an army of slayers against the Turok-Han army. But in the long-term? More slayers could end up meaning more Faiths circa-S3 Buffy. That isn't a good thing altogether.
So what do I think? I think the Slayers turn on themselves. I'm saying War of the Slayer Succession.
I fanwank way too much.
I mean, c'mon, didn't Joss have all this planned out on a big chart in his room when he was 15
Of course he did. I'm gonna go finish all my veggies and wait for Santa Claus
Which really sounds snarky which I *really* don't mean. I want to believe that it is all planned out and there is a big reason and that if I am very good, Joss will make everything allright...
Um, going back to lurking here for a while...
I will note that I can't see an attemped vamping by Spike as having any resonance or being in character for Spike, for mostly the reasons Ken discussed.
I'd like to go back a ways and thank Hec for this agreement, but I can't claim this as an original thought - I think it was Betsy who first articulated that Spike wasn't interested in Vampire interactions in SR back when it first premiered.
I can also say that I agree with Hec on most of what he says on season 6, but I'm not sure I can go along with anyone on season 7 because, 1) I NEVER saw Spike remotely trying to rekindle he romance with Buffy on any intentional level and, 2) while she may have kept defending him on the whole "he's got a soul issue", she never fell into the making out sessions she kept falling into with Angel using the same criteria. And quite honestly, in Buffy's book of who's fucked her over, Angelus and Faith are WAY ahead of Spike in that contest, mainly because while she slept with him, I don't think she had any illusions that Spike was really a "good" guy.
While she may have gotten support from him, and he may have gotten a perfect moment from her trust, I never got anything along the lines of "you want your boyfriend back" from Buffy w/r/t Spike. Which certainly WAS the case with Angel. She may have said she loved Spike (and actually, I believe that she did LOVE him, just that she NEVER, EVER was IN LOVE with him, ever), but I also believe Spike went to his date with destiny believing what he told her - "No you don't" - and, more to the point, he was OK with that.
Over on TVtome.com they say that originally, Joss was going to have all of the scoobies sacrifice themselves to save the world in "Chosen"; they would all end up in the Hellmouth, which sounds to me like the void mentioned in Fray. I'll bet that's what that referred to. Joss later decided that killing everyone would be too sad for an ending.
Killing everyone would have been Joss.
I see him as the "killing almost everyone" type. We need to feel really really bad for someone.
After 7 years I think Joss could have found a way to make us feel sympathy for the school bus.
Right, like even in Shakespearean tragedy, doesn't someone usually live to tell the tale?
