River: You gave up everything you had. Simon: [Chinese] Everything I have is right here.

'Safe'


Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.  

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Frankenbuddha - Aug 04, 2003 6:57:57 pm PDT #4188 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

I will note that I can't see an attemped vamping by Spike as having any resonance or being in character for Spike, for mostly the reasons Ken discussed.

I'd like to go back a ways and thank Hec for this agreement, but I can't claim this as an original thought - I think it was Betsy who first articulated that Spike wasn't interested in Vampire interactions in SR back when it first premiered.

I can also say that I agree with Hec on most of what he says on season 6, but I'm not sure I can go along with anyone on season 7 because, 1) I NEVER saw Spike remotely trying to rekindle he romance with Buffy on any intentional level and, 2) while she may have kept defending him on the whole "he's got a soul issue", she never fell into the making out sessions she kept falling into with Angel using the same criteria. And quite honestly, in Buffy's book of who's fucked her over, Angelus and Faith are WAY ahead of Spike in that contest, mainly because while she slept with him, I don't think she had any illusions that Spike was really a "good" guy.

While she may have gotten support from him, and he may have gotten a perfect moment from her trust, I never got anything along the lines of "you want your boyfriend back" from Buffy w/r/t Spike. Which certainly WAS the case with Angel. She may have said she loved Spike (and actually, I believe that she did LOVE him, just that she NEVER, EVER was IN LOVE with him, ever), but I also believe Spike went to his date with destiny believing what he told her - "No you don't" - and, more to the point, he was OK with that.


WildDemon Cornelius - Aug 04, 2003 7:38:15 pm PDT #4189 of 10001
Take your fingers off it, don't you dare touch it, you know it don't belong to you, to you...

Over on TVtome.com they say that originally, Joss was going to have all of the scoobies sacrifice themselves to save the world in "Chosen"; they would all end up in the Hellmouth, which sounds to me like the void mentioned in Fray. I'll bet that's what that referred to. Joss later decided that killing everyone would be too sad for an ending.


Gleebo - Aug 04, 2003 8:11:48 pm PDT #4190 of 10001
"God...my brilliance is now becoming a bit of a burden...get back to me." Dr. Cox - Scrubs

Killing everyone would have been Joss.


§ ita § - Aug 04, 2003 8:18:15 pm PDT #4191 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I see him as the "killing almost everyone" type. We need to feel really really bad for someone.


Gleebo - Aug 04, 2003 8:20:05 pm PDT #4192 of 10001
"God...my brilliance is now becoming a bit of a burden...get back to me." Dr. Cox - Scrubs

After 7 years I think Joss could have found a way to make us feel sympathy for the school bus.


Sassy - Aug 04, 2003 8:21:09 pm PDT #4193 of 10001
'Til we dance away...

Right, like even in Shakespearean tragedy, doesn't someone usually live to tell the tale?


Gleebo - Aug 04, 2003 8:22:08 pm PDT #4194 of 10001
"God...my brilliance is now becoming a bit of a burden...get back to me." Dr. Cox - Scrubs

  • cough*AndrewandDawn*endcough*


WildDemon Cornelius - Aug 04, 2003 10:29:29 pm PDT #4195 of 10001
Take your fingers off it, don't you dare touch it, you know it don't belong to you, to you...

Sassy: Yeah, the standard ending for a Shakespearean tragedy sees all the main characters lying around dead except one, who restores order and gets to be the next king or something. I was expecting the season to end w/ Buffy dying yet again and then going to heaven, and maybe w/ a bunch of other characters dying; I thought Faith might also die redeeming herself and then a new slayer would be called.

Gleebo: Andrew and Dawn the survivors! What are you crazy? (actually I do kinda like them, but I'd be quite cross if they were the ones left alive and the Core Four, Spike, and Anya were all on the floor dead)


DCJensen - Aug 04, 2003 10:40:20 pm PDT #4196 of 10001
All is well that ends in pizza.

I seriously doubt Joss intended on killing the core four.

Unless it was the brakes going out on the bus as they went through a moutain pass after the finale and Willow was knocked out, so couldn't save them with magic.

And the only survivor is Faith, on Spike's motorcycle, who sees it all.

Then in the sequal series, Spike is sent back by TPTB, shows up to be her watcher....and get his bike.


Gleebo - Aug 04, 2003 10:55:30 pm PDT #4197 of 10001
"God...my brilliance is now becoming a bit of a burden...get back to me." Dr. Cox - Scrubs

Exactly why I figured it would have been right up Joss's alley because pissing people off is so damn fun.