Anya: We should drop a piano on her. It always works for that creepy cartoon rabbit when he's running from that nice man with the speech impediment. Giles: Yes, or perhaps we could paint a convincing fake tunnel on the side of a mountain.

'Touched'


Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.  

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Cindy - May 16, 2003 10:57:18 am PDT #397 of 10001
Nobody

I would buy Xander's Speedos (in another reality, where I am very wealthy), but I think I'd want them to be cleaned first.

(bolding for emphasis is mine)

Narrator, I am tickled pink that you put the think in that statement.

Actually, Willow's eyes did not go black during the re-ensouling spell in "Becoming 2" - she did seem to be posessed by something, but the only change in her appearance was due to the dramatic overhead lighting, causing her face (especially her eyes) to be in shadow.

I'm pretty sure Fred's right and that they did flash black for a moment when she was first rocked by whatever power (vengeance) entered her. They didn't remain black while she continued the curse, though. Katherine Madison's eyes also went black back in The Witch and Amy's eyes went black when she ratted herself.

However, it's all tainted (at least for me) by his relationship with Buffy. Take Buffy out of the equation and it could be really interesting and entertaining.

Isn't that what they just did, by having Spike witness Buffy and Angel's smoochies, while the first served up the color commentary?

OTOH, lesser means (the bug in the eye) didn't work. So how do you deal with a Spike that's still a threat?

***Actually it did work. They (Giles and Wood) just hadn't given it enough time. That's what got his memories started again. Then once Wood triggered him, Spike worked through his murder(s) of his own mother.

I think Wood became twisted in his quest for his mother's killer but I still think he would have been justified in killing him.

How is this justifed within the moral framework of the Buffyverse. When has any act of vengeance been served up as justice?

eta...

Everything Fred just said right above this, goes for me as well.

edited again to moved the *** paragraph to the proper place in the post. Sorry for the confusion.


Maysa - May 16, 2003 11:03:56 am PDT #398 of 10001

And there are tears in my eyes and did you know stifling snorts of laughter hurts?

Hey, I made a Buffista laugh!


Sophia Brooks - May 16, 2003 11:04:01 am PDT #399 of 10001
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

Spike-- will not be influenced by the first evil and Buffy/Angel's kiss and will stay by Buffy's side to the end

Buffy-- will either die or somehow lose her Slayer Power.

They will restore balance, which may end the Slayer line altogether.

Willow will become a guardian of the axe, like that old lady.

Giles will be Ethan.


Steph L. - May 16, 2003 11:08:05 am PDT #400 of 10001
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe

Willow will become a guardian of the axe, like that old lady.

That would be a boring gig. IJS.


askye - May 16, 2003 11:09:20 am PDT #401 of 10001
Thrive to spite them

I always got the feeling that Wood was never going to play fair when it came to killing Spike.

In the high school did he start to say something to Spike before he went to stake him? I'm fuzzy on that but my impression was: Wood was going to stake Spike in the back and then maybe say "you killed my Mom" as Spike went to dust and then tell Buffy "oh, well one of the rampaging students got to Spike before I could save him."

Wood did play fair when played the trigger. It was just that the trigger turned Spike "bad" but also that it confused him and made him less coherent. Spike acted very animalistic and that wasn't the same way Spike acted at all when he killed Nikki, but it made Spike weaker, the same way taking him to a room with crosses nailed all over the walls made him weaker.


Katie M - May 16, 2003 11:11:00 am PDT #402 of 10001
I was charmed (albeit somewhat perplexed) by the fannish sensibility of many of the music choices -- it's like the director was trying to vid Canada. --loligo on the Olympic Opening Ceremonies

He had more than a clue. He'd been around Spike long enough to see trigger!Spike and good!Spike. You can't honestly say that Wood thought Spike was still evil when he started in on his mission to kill him.

You can make an argument based on cold logic - Spike was a danger, because of the trigger, and Buffy was unwilling to take the necessary steps to reduce that danger. (Which would not have had to include killing him.)

I totally agree that vengeance is not an okay reason to kill in the Buffyverse, though.


Lee - May 16, 2003 11:11:54 am PDT #403 of 10001
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

I think being just a Guardian of the Axe would be immensely boring, but I'd like it if Willow was able to replace the CoW with CoGuardians.


Glamcookie - May 16, 2003 11:14:34 am PDT #404 of 10001
I know my own heart and understand my fellow man. But I am made unlike anyone I have ever met. I dare to say I am like no one in the whole world. - Anne Lister

And Katie nails the reason that anyone would have been justified in taking Spike out. Trigger!Spike was actively killing people.


§ ita § - May 16, 2003 11:16:49 am PDT #405 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Did Buffy's point that Spike would be a useful source of First-related info (what with the thrall, and stuff) come to anything?

But, yeah, soul. And not under his own control. I think the combo of the two would traditionally render the scoobs unable to kill.


Glamcookie - May 16, 2003 11:19:03 am PDT #406 of 10001
I know my own heart and understand my fellow man. But I am made unlike anyone I have ever met. I dare to say I am like no one in the whole world. - Anne Lister

I need to stop thinking about the season as a whole and concentrate on the last few eps, which I've enjoyed, as it's too crazymaking for me. Let's all just agree to disagree on whether Spike is great or a total wanker :)

Edited to say "agree to disagree on whether or not you find Spike to still be an interesting character."