Sweet lumpy minion, you're the only one that understands. Probably 'cause I haven't sucked the brain out of you yet.

Glory ,'Potential'


Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.  

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§ ita § - Jul 30, 2003 12:50:06 pm PDT #3918 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

But aren't you left with the same problem?

I think the difference for me is what he did next. And what he is. He's been saying she's like him, he tries to make her like him, and then goes and makes himself more like her. He's addressing his vampirism -- adding a soul instead of removing hers. I find that more consistent.


UTTAD - Jul 30, 2003 12:52:02 pm PDT #3919 of 10001
Strawberry disappointment.

But I don't think they wrote my Buffy so that she knows that.

I'll have to watch it all again to see if Buffy knows that or not. However, I suspect you are, as usual, correct.

I think the difference for me is what he did next. And what he is. He's been saying she's like him, he tries to make her like him, and then goes and makes himself more like her. He's addressing his vampirism -- adding a soul instead of removing hers. I find that more consistent.

Sorry I'm not sure what you mean here.


Cindy - Jul 30, 2003 12:55:42 pm PDT #3920 of 10001
Nobody

UTTAD - Maybe it's because humans with souls commit rape.

The only vampire with a soul that we've seen (other than Spike), does not feed on humans.


Allyson - Jul 30, 2003 12:56:36 pm PDT #3921 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Well you could argue it's ME's job to pose questions, and it's up to us to bring our own answers.

ME's job is to tell me a really great story, not pose questions. The writers will always tell you that the bottom line is that they're telling stories. Sometimes the storytellers trip and fall on the way, and deliver the scrambled eggs coated in carpet lint and cat hair because they either don't have time, or don't care enough for the guests they've invited to dinner to clean it off.

As an audience, we can pick out the cat hair and carpet lint to find the meal, or excuse ourselves and get some take-out.

But aren't you left with the same problem?

Nope. Because the metaphor isn't always sex or rape.


§ ita § - Jul 30, 2003 12:57:36 pm PDT #3922 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Spike's S6 angle was that Buffy was like him. When frustrated by that, there are two ways to resolve it -- make her like him (attempt, fail), or make him like her (by getting a soul).

That way everything is metaphorical, instead of attempting to address an unmetaphorical act with a metaphorical bandage.


UTTAD - Jul 30, 2003 12:57:57 pm PDT #3923 of 10001
Strawberry disappointment.

Maybe it's because humans with souls rape.

Cindy: Sorry which post are you refering to?


UTTAD - Jul 30, 2003 1:01:14 pm PDT #3924 of 10001
Strawberry disappointment.

That way everything is metaphorical, instead of attempting to address an unmetaphorical act with a metaphorical bandage.

Okay, I can see that.



ME's job is to tell me a really great story, not pose questions.

For me great stories do pose questions. Each to their own and all that.


P.M. Marc - Jul 30, 2003 1:02:16 pm PDT #3925 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

As much as I think Seeing Red as an episode worked, the reasons I think it worked are the same reasons I think that their efforts to get past it in S7 failed like a failing thing that skipped finals. In that light, I wish they'd gone with attempted vamping.

Ah well.

Water. Bridge. Bad writing.

It's also made me think the writing staff is very disorganised and shortsighted.

Yes, this.


Daisy Jane - Jul 30, 2003 1:02:31 pm PDT #3926 of 10001
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."

I think the difference for me is what he did next. And what he is. He's been saying she's like him, he tries to make her like him, and then goes and makes himself more like her. He's addressing his vampirism -- adding a soul instead of removing hers. I find that more consistent.

With this, ita has converted me. Somebody send her and appliance or something.


Allyson - Jul 30, 2003 1:05:29 pm PDT #3927 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

With this, ita has converted me. Somebody send her and appliance or something.

I think for the rape/sire theory of season six and seven, all one gets is a mellon baller.