With this, ita has converted me. Somebody send her and appliance or something.
I think for the rape/sire theory of season six and seven, all one gets is a mellon baller.
Jayne: 'Cause I don't know these folks. Don't much care to. Mal: They're whores. Jayne: I'm in.
'Heart Of Gold'
Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.
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Allyson - Jul 30, 2003 1:05:29 pm PDT #3927 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica
Jenny_G - Jul 30, 2003 1:46:59 pm PDT #3928 of 10001
One eye out for highway danger, the other out for fruit. - fr. Martin Mull's Truckdrivin' Songs for the Eight Basic Food Groups
Attempted vamping rather than attempted rape would have been MUCH better IMHO, because you have that added level of removal. I think the reason BtVS worked so well in seasons 1-3 was that they used supernatural metaphors for very heavy problems. This got diluted by Season 5 - possibly because the metaphorless death of Joyce was so effective. In any event, using the supernatural distanced the viewer from what was going on and also made the ethical issues much easier to shape, because Joss et al were creating their own reality & it's perfectly acceptable to create a morality that fits that.
I have this theory that ME considered having Spike vamp Buffy, but opted not to because they'd used that as a date rape metaphor earlier in the season (in All The Way) and didn't want to repeat themselves.
Cindy - Jul 30, 2003 1:51:46 pm PDT #3929 of 10001
Nobody
Maybe it's because humans with souls rape.
Cindy: Sorry which post are you refering to?
I think I was tossing out a reason why I think an attempted siring would have worked better than the attempted rape (for me) since they were going to have Buffy continue to have an emotional attachment to Spike, and continue to call him a hottie.
It might have been in response to the following, but I'm not sure now.
But aren't you left with the same problem? If it's a metaphor for rape, how can Buffy forgive him? Or is it a metaphor for something else? Or is it just better to dress the rape up as something else?
Jessica - Jul 30, 2003 1:54:43 pm PDT #3930 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
Given that the all-nat-sound attempted rape was in the same episode as Warren-with-a-gun, I think they were really pushing the "not all monsters are demons" message in SR. I doubt if attempted vamping even occured to them.
Katie M - Jul 30, 2003 1:55:25 pm PDT #3931 of 10001
I was charmed (albeit somewhat perplexed) by the fannish sensibility of many of the music choices -- it's like the director was trying to vid Canada. --loligo on the Olympic Opening Ceremonies
I think they'd mostly dumped the idea of metaphor by S6 - heck, I think they'd mostly dumped it by the end of S4. Party of Five with monsters, yada yada.
Cindy - Jul 30, 2003 1:56:17 pm PDT #3932 of 10001
Nobody
all-nat-sound
What does this bit mean, Jess?
(I agree with the rest of your post, but it's sad it didn't occur to them.)
Jessica - Jul 30, 2003 1:57:42 pm PDT #3933 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
nat = natural. No music or sfx. (I mean, there probably were some effects, but they were mixed to sound as natural and dogme-esque as possible.)
[edit: Like The Body]
Cindy - Jul 30, 2003 2:00:57 pm PDT #3934 of 10001
Nobody
Okay. I should have gotten that from the context. Sorry. Now what's dogme-esque - or at least dogme.
Hmmm... Now I want a hotdog. Dogme.
Jessica - Jul 30, 2003 2:06:55 pm PDT #3935 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
Dogme 95 was a movement to make films without the use of artificial lighting, props, costumes, or sound. Or tripods. Lars Von Trier is probably the best-known Dogme filmmaker, at least in this country. (Though only The Idiots qualifies, of his, and Thomas Vinterberg's Celebration is a much, much, much better film.)
Cindy - Jul 30, 2003 3:07:54 pm PDT #3936 of 10001
Nobody
Buffistas know everything. When I was new, I would have googled Dogme. I've become complacent, these days.