I for one read the Joss interview and I'm really glad he comes clean about wanting AB first and having to work Kennedy in, and sticking Caleb in at the end for corporeality, and that Giles was just a silly joke on the fans. This way I know that when Joss says he arced out a story from S1 through S5 it's not bullshit, because he's come clean about lots of other stuff. His mistakes lend credence to his successes.
WRT Joyce's "she won't choose you", I don't know why Jane says it was the FE messing with her. Didn't Buffy try to send Dawn away, in a very underhanded way? I thought that was the fulfillment of that prophecy.
Just because it's the FE, it doesn't mean it's not right. The FE got right at the heart of the humans it was trying to manipulate and it did it by knowing them. It not only knoew Andrew's weakness, it had to know Warren as well, to fool Andrew. So, to fool Dawn it had to know a bit aout BUffy, I think.
Just because it's the FE, it doesn't mean it's not right.
I agree with this. I just think since it was intended to be the FE visiting Dawn, it sh/could have been done differently. Knowing Joyce was intentionally written as FE!Joyce in CwDP, the poltergeisty action that left the house a wreck, the glowy-angel look of Joyce and other bits, coming on the heels of the particular incantation that Dawn ... incanted - well, to me, it was poorly executed. Of course nobody is paying me anything for anything I do.
And don't forget, the FE specialized in working its evil by telling the truth (in its own fashion).
Just because it's the FE, it doesn't mean it's not right. The FE got right at the heart of the humans it was trying to manipulate and it did it by knowing them. It not only knoew Andrew's weakness, it had to know Warren as well, to fool Andrew. So, to fool Dawn it had to know a bit aout BUffy, I think.
But by giving Dawn the knowledge, she was less upset when it actually happened and was more helpful at the end with fighting the FE. I am going to pretend that Jane didn't understand the question, and that it really was Joyce.
I am going to pretend that Jane didn't understand the question, and that it really was Joyce.
A reasonable way to look at it. Because it fits my theory that Buffy "didn't choose" Dawn when she asked Xander to drive Dawn far away from Sunnydale.
It would've worked perfectly well with Joyce as the FE if Dawn had actually suffered some fallout - actually changed her behavior in a way that made a difference because she'd been warned not to trust Buffy. Joss has said that Dawn kinda got shafted in S7, though.
It's a case where reading the script gave away something that might not have been so obvious otherwise.
Ftr, I watched on time delay, and didn't read the scripts. I missed the Giles-not-touching-things completely until I read about it here.
The Giles-not-touching-things will never be as bad for me as the "I didn't get my head cut off because the Bringer had squeaky shoes."
Ftr, I watched on time delay, and didn't read the scripts. I missed the Giles-not-touching-things completely until I read about it here.
Fiona's post has made me curious about something. I knew Giles wouldn't be touching anything before he didn't touch anything - or soon after he started not touching anything.
For those of you who didn't spoil at all, did you notice it yourselves, or did you notice people talking about it here first, and then notice it?
A reasonable way to look at it. Because it fits my theory that Buffy "didn't choose" Dawn when she asked Xander to drive Dawn far away from Sunnydale.
Yep. See when I take away my knowledge of Jane's totally wrong answer (Jane, I'd still give you a kidney, well, maybe not a kidney, but some money or something), that's how it fits in for me, too.
