I loved that one.Giles and D&D I mean.
Sooner or later, you're gonna want it. And the second — the second — that happens, you know I'll be there. I'll slip in, have myself a real good day.
Spike ,'Conversations with Dead People'
Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.
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erikaj - Jul 09, 2003 6:33:00 am PDT #3241 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!
Lyra Jane - Jul 09, 2003 6:35:37 am PDT #3242 of 10001
Up with the sun
But as far as I remember, we only really started discussing that aspect when we were casting around for reasons why he was so completely unGilesy to begin with
It was mentioned in the shooting script; I think that was brought up pretty early in the discussion.
Frankenbuddha - Jul 09, 2003 6:50:16 am PDT #3243 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"
It was mentioned in the shooting script; I think that was brought up pretty early in the discussion.
The more I think about it, the more I think that it was never intended as a misdirect per se, but, rather, they were just making sure they were consistent. That is, when the scoobies noticed and thought back about whether Giles had touched anything/one, they couldn't remember him doing so, and they wanted what they had shown the viewers to also be consistent with that. It's a case where reading the script gave away something that might not have been so obvious otherwise.
Giles being written poorly, however, is a whole 'nother thing altogether.
Wolfram - Jul 09, 2003 7:19:50 am PDT #3244 of 10001
Visilurking
I for one read the Joss interview and I'm really glad he comes clean about wanting AB first and having to work Kennedy in, and sticking Caleb in at the end for corporeality, and that Giles was just a silly joke on the fans. This way I know that when Joss says he arced out a story from S1 through S5 it's not bullshit, because he's come clean about lots of other stuff. His mistakes lend credence to his successes.
WRT Joyce's "she won't choose you", I don't know why Jane says it was the FE messing with her. Didn't Buffy try to send Dawn away, in a very underhanded way? I thought that was the fulfillment of that prophecy.
scrappy - Jul 09, 2003 7:36:52 am PDT #3245 of 10001
Nobody
Just because it's the FE, it doesn't mean it's not right. The FE got right at the heart of the humans it was trying to manipulate and it did it by knowing them. It not only knoew Andrew's weakness, it had to know Warren as well, to fool Andrew. So, to fool Dawn it had to know a bit aout BUffy, I think.
Cindy - Jul 09, 2003 7:41:50 am PDT #3246 of 10001
Nobody
Just because it's the FE, it doesn't mean it's not right.
I agree with this. I just think since it was intended to be the FE visiting Dawn, it sh/could have been done differently. Knowing Joyce was intentionally written as FE!Joyce in CwDP, the poltergeisty action that left the house a wreck, the glowy-angel look of Joyce and other bits, coming on the heels of the particular incantation that Dawn ... incanted - well, to me, it was poorly executed. Of course nobody is paying me anything for anything I do.
Sean K - Jul 09, 2003 7:42:53 am PDT #3247 of 10001
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty
And don't forget, the FE specialized in working its evil by telling the truth (in its own fashion).
Wolfram - Jul 09, 2003 7:43:49 am PDT #3248 of 10001
Visilurking
Just because it's the FE, it doesn't mean it's not right. The FE got right at the heart of the humans it was trying to manipulate and it did it by knowing them. It not only knoew Andrew's weakness, it had to know Warren as well, to fool Andrew. So, to fool Dawn it had to know a bit aout BUffy, I think.
But by giving Dawn the knowledge, she was less upset when it actually happened and was more helpful at the end with fighting the FE. I am going to pretend that Jane didn't understand the question, and that it really was Joyce.
Fred Pete - Jul 09, 2003 7:47:23 am PDT #3249 of 10001
Ann, that's a ferret.
I am going to pretend that Jane didn't understand the question, and that it really was Joyce.
A reasonable way to look at it. Because it fits my theory that Buffy "didn't choose" Dawn when she asked Xander to drive Dawn far away from Sunnydale.
Katie M - Jul 09, 2003 7:48:24 am PDT #3250 of 10001
I was charmed (albeit somewhat perplexed) by the fannish sensibility of many of the music choices -- it's like the director was trying to vid Canada. --loligo on the Olympic Opening Ceremonies
It would've worked perfectly well with Joyce as the FE if Dawn had actually suffered some fallout - actually changed her behavior in a way that made a difference because she'd been warned not to trust Buffy. Joss has said that Dawn kinda got shafted in S7, though.