"Two to Go" and "Grave" were on FX tonight. Oh, god, "I'd like to test that theory" and Dangerous!Giles, then Giggling!Giles ...
Funny thing about black and white. You mix it together and you get gray. And it doesn't matter how much white you try and put back in, you're never gonna get anything but gray.
Lilah ,'Destiny'
Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.
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Connie Neil - Jul 08, 2003 8:14:56 pm PDT #3236 of 10001
brillig
Fred Pete - Jul 09, 2003 4:04:01 am PDT #3237 of 10001
Ann, that's a ferret.
I actually thought the not-touching thing was neat and anticipation-making back when I was first spoiled for it.
Would have been neater if there'd been some reason behind it. Even a 2-second throwaway line about how he injured his whatever fighting the Harbinger.
erikaj - Jul 09, 2003 5:38:36 am PDT #3238 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!
Also, insulting to Rupert Giles and a waste of ASH....It started so strong with "Do you want to be punished?"etc.
Gleebo - Jul 09, 2003 6:24:56 am PDT #3239 of 10001
"God...my brilliance is now becoming a bit of a burden...get back to me." Dr. Cox - Scrubs
For me all of the off kilter Giles in S7 was made up for it with the "Could it be any worse? I used to be a Watcher – now I'm a wounded dwarf with the strength of a doily." and the exact head tilt and delivery from the end of "The Harvest".
brenda m - Jul 09, 2003 6:32:48 am PDT #3240 of 10001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there
The Giles thing could have been neat it if really had been about being observant enough to notice he wasn't touching anything. But as far as I remember, we only really started discussing that aspect when we were casting around for reasons why he was so completely unGilesy to begin with. And by that point, I was not alone in desperately hoping it was true. The Joyce thing is just weird - it's a thread they dropped, fine. Pretending there's nothing off about it just makes JE look foolish, IMO. But the Giles thing felt so dismissive of both the character and the fans that it still rankles.
The Tara story, OTOH, just rings to me like Joss playing around. I don't buy it, and I don't really think I'm meant to.
erikaj - Jul 09, 2003 6:33:00 am PDT #3241 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!
I loved that one.Giles and D&D I mean.
Lyra Jane - Jul 09, 2003 6:35:37 am PDT #3242 of 10001
Up with the sun
But as far as I remember, we only really started discussing that aspect when we were casting around for reasons why he was so completely unGilesy to begin with
It was mentioned in the shooting script; I think that was brought up pretty early in the discussion.
Frankenbuddha - Jul 09, 2003 6:50:16 am PDT #3243 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"
It was mentioned in the shooting script; I think that was brought up pretty early in the discussion.
The more I think about it, the more I think that it was never intended as a misdirect per se, but, rather, they were just making sure they were consistent. That is, when the scoobies noticed and thought back about whether Giles had touched anything/one, they couldn't remember him doing so, and they wanted what they had shown the viewers to also be consistent with that. It's a case where reading the script gave away something that might not have been so obvious otherwise.
Giles being written poorly, however, is a whole 'nother thing altogether.
Wolfram - Jul 09, 2003 7:19:50 am PDT #3244 of 10001
Visilurking
I for one read the Joss interview and I'm really glad he comes clean about wanting AB first and having to work Kennedy in, and sticking Caleb in at the end for corporeality, and that Giles was just a silly joke on the fans. This way I know that when Joss says he arced out a story from S1 through S5 it's not bullshit, because he's come clean about lots of other stuff. His mistakes lend credence to his successes.
WRT Joyce's "she won't choose you", I don't know why Jane says it was the FE messing with her. Didn't Buffy try to send Dawn away, in a very underhanded way? I thought that was the fulfillment of that prophecy.
scrappy - Jul 09, 2003 7:36:52 am PDT #3245 of 10001
Nobody
Just because it's the FE, it doesn't mean it's not right. The FE got right at the heart of the humans it was trying to manipulate and it did it by knowing them. It not only knoew Andrew's weakness, it had to know Warren as well, to fool Andrew. So, to fool Dawn it had to know a bit aout BUffy, I think.