Angel: Just admit it: you think you're gonna ride in, save the day, and sweep Buffy off her--Spike: Like you're not thinking the same thing. Angel: I'm already seeing somebody. Spike: What, dog girl?

'The Girl in Question'


Buffy 4: Grr. Arrgh.  

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JohnSweden - Jun 23, 2003 6:35:13 am PDT #3014 of 10001
I can't even.

The thing about the wolfiness v. sexyrockchick is that for this show, it isn't just about the metaphor. Oz really is a werewolf, not just a horny guy, thrown for a loop by how turned on he is by this random singer-chick. He's a werewolf, she's a werewolf and on some wolfy level they are interacting before he even knows what she is (although Veruca implies that she knew about him right away).

The element of how much the wolf that is in him was reaching out during his non-wolf time is interesting to me. If the show was just a non-supernatural soap opera, I wouldn't be interested. Horny guy+hotnewchick = betrayal + bailage. Blahblah. Oldest story evah. This show can play those themes, but something else is also going on. How much does the wolfy element, a power that is out of his control and that he didn't choose, have to say about his actions and culpability in WAH? (Not to mention the "oh crap, we have to write out Seth, like right now!" element, but setting that aside.)


JohnSweden - Jun 23, 2003 6:36:23 am PDT #3015 of 10001
I can't even.

Cereal to add: I like the voiceover in Passion and in Blade Runner. I love Blade Runner, but the thing that weirds me about the director's cut is the missing voiceover. I always want it back.


sj - Jun 23, 2003 6:41:59 am PDT #3016 of 10001
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

Oz definitely thought Veruca was hot -- he was staring at her way before he knew she got wolfy.

(although Veruca implies that she knew about him right away).

I just rewatched the episode where Oz and Veruca see each other for the first time last night. I think it is implied that Oz sensed something from Veruca and vice versa, the first time they see each other. It was as if instinct told them they were somehow the same. Oz seemed to fight this instinct from that moment on.


sumi - Jun 23, 2003 6:45:56 am PDT #3017 of 10001
Art Crawl!!!

But I think that Oz didn't know what it was he recognized - - never having met another werewolf before whereas obviously, Veruca did.


Lyra Jane - Jun 23, 2003 6:57:27 am PDT #3018 of 10001
Up with the sun

never having met another werewolf before

His cousin, Jordy.

Though a young werewolf (werepup?) is probably different from a full-grown one.

And I admit, I like the metaphor. It worked for me, possibly because it distracted me from those godawful fur suits.


Miss Vanna - Jun 23, 2003 6:59:05 am PDT #3019 of 10001
I 've been hands under the shirt, over the bra, Calvins in a wad on the front seat with some S7 Buffy spoilers - but we never went all the way ~tinaf

Amidst all my miseries last night (again, thanks for all condolences), I actually watched the WAH commentary and it was everything I had hoped it would be and more. Seth Green seemed pretty damn convinced that Oz was "the bad guy" but that the viewer was still to be torn of who to be mad at. I think this is exactly how I felt. Yes, Willow did it too, but it was much less extreme. It just reminds me of the cold hard pain that is love in the Buffyverse.

Also, this may have been mentioned and I missed it upthread or elsewhere, but during that commentary when Veruca and Oz are looking for clothes/chatting about their deed in the laundry room, when Veruca is leaving she says something snobby by way of goodbye...which I can't remember since I didn't hear the actual audio of the show. When the commentary was done they were still in S6 (this will make sense in a minute). Seth, Marti, and Joss are discussing how evil people always say something weird when they are leaving like "ta ta" or something. Seth brings up TTFN, and Joss goes "What the hell is TTFN?" which as I am sure you all remember as well as I do, was The First!Chloe taunting Buffy and the other Potentials.

Restless commentary was pretty good too, although it kind of left some stuff out I thought would get discussed. I do understand Giles' dream part in the crypt much better now though because of it. So, call it a plus.


Vortex - Jun 23, 2003 7:00:07 am PDT #3020 of 10001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

yeah. it wasn't so much that Oz was attracted to Veruca, it was that his wolf was attracted to her wolf.


Vortex - Jun 23, 2003 7:01:23 am PDT #3021 of 10001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

sure to be an Xpost, but

His cousin, Jordy.

but he wasn't a werewolf when he saw Jordy, cause Jordy's the one who bit him.

edit: surprisingly, not.


§ ita § - Jun 23, 2003 7:02:30 am PDT #3022 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

His cousin, Jordy.

But there's no indication that he'd seen Jordy since he himself got infected. Also, there may simply he a heightened sexual attraction between lycanthropes. Which wouldn't apply in little Jordy's case.


Vortex - Jun 23, 2003 7:08:11 am PDT #3023 of 10001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

Also, there may simply he a heightened sexual attraction between lycanthropes. Which wouldn't apply in little Jordy's case.

unless Oz suddenly entered the priesthood, probably not.