I think Elena did what she felt pressured to do with graciousness and diplomacy. I kind of wish she had merely limited her posts to once a day, like a lot of people seemed to favor, or continued as it was.

I wish the change-of-characters being matched would be posted. All or some rather than all or nothing. Wow, that made no sense when it left my head.

I think it depends on what you think is best for the board. If the majority should always rule, then something is wrong.

Yep. Sometimes, the needs of the many outweighs the wants of the few (cough*spoilage lite*cough), sometimes the needs of the few (various policies) outweigh the wants of the many.

I think Elena did what she felt pressured to do with graciousness and diplomacy. I kind of wish she had merely limited her posts to once a day, like a lot of people seemed to favor, or continued as it was.

I didn't mean for that to sound like a slam on Elena at all. What I was trying to say was that I wish we had agreed on once a day or once per bracket (? -- like, the difference between "all quotes" "half the quotes have been eliminated," "semifinals" and "finals") or whatever. The "all or nothing" seemed like a bad resolution to me.

I think that before entering a debate (or hell, any conversation), all posters should consider, "Is this constructive to the conversation? Will my post encourage participation?" Cause sometimes I feel like personal insults and bullying happen instead. Also I am feeling like I need to take a break from the board and I'm a long-time participant (from TT days). It's sad-making but I want to enjoy my time on the board and right now, I'm just not.

This is how we lose good people. It's how we lost Jen K. When did personal insults become alright here?

So she gave up.

Well, she gave up announcements in Press. The Deathmatches continue. So we're talking about making an administrative adjustment - not the end of the activity itself.

Personally, I appreciated that she compromised to end the debate.

I agree completely, but isn't that the point of Rafmun's comments? That a few more vocal citizens overpowered a majority of others because the others were tired of the complaints?

Yes, but why not call for a vote, ignore any discussion after that point, and have the vote happen? Isn't that the exact reason we set it up in the first place?

I didn't mean for that to sound like a slam on Elena at all...

I meant for my post to be a follow up in agreeance with yours. I guess it came off as a "nuh uh" post. My bad.

Personally, I appreciated that she compromised to end the debate.

feeling pressured and frustrated by a conversation and choosing to stop having it is not compromise

I hug you, Beverly.

(I also rush off to class.)

I don't know how to NOT be confrontational, any more than the conflict-avoidy types know how to be confrontational.

And the emotion of which Beverly speaks that comes from speaking out, I get that from NOT speaking out.

So, I don't really see any solution to what I don't see as a problem to begin with. Maybe I'm that jerk running people off the board, left and right. I'm also taking this all very personally, and thus, should take mine own walk and come back when I can see it as a big picture.

This is how we lose good people. It's how we lost Jen K. When did personal insults become alright here?

For the record, that's not my impression of why Jen K. left, and I'm still in regular contact with her.

Personal insults are not okay here, and I haven't seen a rise in them. People get called on it quickly here. You'd have to cite an example for that.

I think the danger is that if the conflict-avoidy types keep "losing", they'll eventually leave and the board will be the poorer for it.

shrugs This is exactly why we instituted voting. I concur that I don't want the board to only be a place for the most aggressive and willing to headbutt. But I feel like we've got things in place that address that.