I agree completely, but isn't that the point of Rafmun's comments? That a few more vocal citizens overpowered a majority of others because the others were tired of the complaints?

Yes, but why not call for a vote, ignore any discussion after that point, and have the vote happen? Isn't that the exact reason we set it up in the first place?

I didn't mean for that to sound like a slam on Elena at all...

I meant for my post to be a follow up in agreeance with yours. I guess it came off as a "nuh uh" post. My bad.

Personally, I appreciated that she compromised to end the debate.

feeling pressured and frustrated by a conversation and choosing to stop having it is not compromise

I hug you, Beverly.

(I also rush off to class.)

I don't know how to NOT be confrontational, any more than the conflict-avoidy types know how to be confrontational.

And the emotion of which Beverly speaks that comes from speaking out, I get that from NOT speaking out.

So, I don't really see any solution to what I don't see as a problem to begin with. Maybe I'm that jerk running people off the board, left and right. I'm also taking this all very personally, and thus, should take mine own walk and come back when I can see it as a big picture.

This is how we lose good people. It's how we lost Jen K. When did personal insults become alright here?

For the record, that's not my impression of why Jen K. left, and I'm still in regular contact with her.

Personal insults are not okay here, and I haven't seen a rise in them. People get called on it quickly here. You'd have to cite an example for that.

I think the danger is that if the conflict-avoidy types keep "losing", they'll eventually leave and the board will be the poorer for it.

shrugs This is exactly why we instituted voting. I concur that I don't want the board to only be a place for the most aggressive and willing to headbutt. But I feel like we've got things in place that address that.

"argue about whether the sky is blue or not"

The sky I see when I look out the window is obscured by clouds. I cannot say what color it is.

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For the record, that's not my impression of why Jen K. left, and I'm still in regular contact with her.

It was my impression and I talk to her regularly as well. It wasn't the only reason, but it was the final straw.

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I meant for my post to be a follow up in agreeance with yours. I guess it came off as a "nuh uh" post.

Oh, okay. I was afraid I had expressed it badly.