Personally, I appreciated that she compromised to end the debate.
feeling pressured and frustrated by a conversation and choosing to stop having it is not compromise
Some people juggle geese!
Wash ,'Our Mrs. Reynolds'
Bureaucracy 2: Like Sartre, Only Longer
A thread to discuss naming threads, board policy, new thread suggestions, and anything else that has to do with board administration and maintenance. Guaranteed to include lively debate and polls. Natter discouraged, but not deleted.
Current Stompy Feet: ita, Jon B, DXMachina, P.M. Marcontell, Liese S., amych
Trudy Booth - Mar 30, 2004 9:44:23 am PST #8031 of 10005
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart
Dana - Mar 30, 2004 9:44:33 am PST #8032 of 10005
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.
I hug you, Beverly.
(I also rush off to class.)
Allyson - Mar 30, 2004 9:44:57 am PST #8033 of 10005
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica
I don't know how to NOT be confrontational, any more than the conflict-avoidy types know how to be confrontational.
And the emotion of which Beverly speaks that comes from speaking out, I get that from NOT speaking out.
So, I don't really see any solution to what I don't see as a problem to begin with. Maybe I'm that jerk running people off the board, left and right. I'm also taking this all very personally, and thus, should take mine own walk and come back when I can see it as a big picture.
DavidS - Mar 30, 2004 9:45:13 am PST #8034 of 10005
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
This is how we lose good people. It's how we lost Jen K. When did personal insults become alright here?
For the record, that's not my impression of why Jen K. left, and I'm still in regular contact with her.
Personal insults are not okay here, and I haven't seen a rise in them. People get called on it quickly here. You'd have to cite an example for that.
I think the danger is that if the conflict-avoidy types keep "losing", they'll eventually leave and the board will be the poorer for it.
shrugs This is exactly why we instituted voting. I concur that I don't want the board to only be a place for the most aggressive and willing to headbutt. But I feel like we've got things in place that address that.
Lysana - Mar 30, 2004 9:46:28 am PST #8035 of 10005
Hellbound Equal-Opportunity Nookie Hog
"argue about whether the sky is blue or not"
The sky I see when I look out the window is obscured by clouds. I cannot say what color it is.
t /Fair Witness
Aims - Mar 30, 2004 9:46:35 am PST #8036 of 10005
Shit's all sorts of different now.
For the record, that's not my impression of why Jen K. left, and I'm still in regular contact with her.
It was my impression and I talk to her regularly as well. It wasn't the only reason, but it was the final straw.
Glamcookie - Mar 30, 2004 9:46:45 am PST #8037 of 10005
I know my own heart and understand my fellow man. But I am made unlike anyone I have ever met. I dare to say I am like no one in the whole world. - Anne Lister
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Lyra Jane - Mar 30, 2004 9:46:55 am PST #8038 of 10005
Up with the sun
I meant for my post to be a follow up in agreeance with yours. I guess it came off as a "nuh uh" post.
Oh, okay. I was afraid I had expressed it badly.
Allyson - Mar 30, 2004 9:48:27 am PST #8039 of 10005
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica
It's how we lost Jen K.
I think that was me, solely, or at least, mine was the death blow. I feel responsible, at any rate.
Jon B. - Mar 30, 2004 9:48:51 am PST #8040 of 10005
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!
Yes, but why not call for a vote, ignore any discussion after that point, and have the vote happen? Isn't that the exact reason we set it up in the first place?
Absolutely, Shawn. But like David said, voting on things like Death Match announcements is micromanaging (IMO). There's no easy solution. If we voted on everything, a lot of folks would get turned off and might eventually leave. If we don't vote, the louder folks win and the quieter folks might eventually leave. While I'm glad I got a "thanks" from Rafmun, I'm a little bit uncomfortable because I have no idea what the answer is, nor am I sure we need an answer.
And Gloomcookie -- what personal insults have you seen? I'm rarely in Natter and am way behind in Minearverse, but I haven't noticed things any worse than they've ever been.