Allyson, what is your problem with my stance? Am I *advocating* that littleJohnny be allowed to run around biting the other kids in our analogy, and those kids have to suck it up?
Dude. That came out of left field.
There's something about a food that moves all by itself that gives me the heebie-jeebies.
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Allyson - Apr 18, 2003 1:30:42 pm PDT #718 of 10005
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica
Burrell - Apr 18, 2003 1:38:59 pm PDT #719 of 10005
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!
I too am all for LESS discussion. Discussion, at least in the last two cases, has been unproductive, unless what you wanted was tsuris. I'm not saying there should be no discussion, but I do think that the 100s of posts of handwringing does no good.
As for the point that warning has led, in the past two cases, to a swift suspension and banning, I see that as all the more reason to stop the handwringing. If a poster can implode that quickly at a warning, he/she was a problem to begin with. Anyone who is NOT likely to be a long term problem, on the other hand, will not go postal when handed a warning, but will instead rethink his/her behavior.
msbelle - Apr 18, 2003 1:48:19 pm PDT #720 of 10005
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb
Dude. That came out of left field.
Did it? Cause it seems to be a direct quote and then response to your post. Allyson "Bureaucracy 2: Like Sartre, Only Longer" Apr 18, 2003 1:10:15 pm EDT
§ ita § - Apr 18, 2003 1:57:01 pm PDT #721 of 10005
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
My definition of troll is someone who adversely affects a given community because they don't fit the etiquette. They can not fit because they don't want to, or just because that's not who they are.
I don't care. Just like I'd be trollish in a number of places, due to either malice or incompatibility, the same happens here. I have NO problem with that. Just like a complaint is not the end of the world, not everyone is made for everywhere.
I don't feel a need to be too too generous with the benefit of doubt thing. Because I'm not denying anyone access to food, water, or intellectual stimulation. I'm about saying "Look, you seem to be pissing a lot of people off. Think you can change?"
bon bon - Apr 18, 2003 1:57:53 pm PDT #722 of 10005
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.
Discussing the first is, effectively, discussing the second.
If the discussion-- assuming the poster has access and reads it-- doesn't change the poster's ways, it's likely enough a warning won't, ultimately, either. But perhaps I'm personally over-identifying. (And I wrote this before seeing Burrell's post at 716, which is pretty similar in point)
In Zoe's case, it seemed likely her pattern of behavior would continue, no matter what, and it was a question whether that in itself was enough to lead to banning. As much as we may have said she would change in response to a warning, I'm not sure anyone really thought that was going to happen-- she hadn't changed her behavior in response to anything.
Nutty - Apr 18, 2003 2:23:17 pm PDT #723 of 10005
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."
I'm not sure anyone really thought that was going to happen-- she hadn't changed her behavior in response to anything.
Shawn's right, and in Zoe's case I think we needed to talk endlessly, because we were all (okay, many of us) working ourselves up to the fact that she was probably going to end up banned.
My definition of troll is someone who adversely affects a given community because they don't fit the etiquette. They can not fit because they don't want to, or just because that's not who they are.
ita, all things being equal, that's a substantial enlargement of the standard meaning I know of. (Where "troll" = someone maliciously trolling for negative attention by posting rarely, out of the blue, and in an imflammatory manner.) I mean, we can use that meaning, if I'm in the minority here, but it's confusing to me to use onoe word and mean something else.
§ ita § - Apr 18, 2003 2:29:15 pm PDT #724 of 10005
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I'm not advocating for my use of the word to spread across the internet.
Even before the Zoe thing got heated, I've been anxious about people's effects, not their intentions. I will never know anyone else's intentions, and having them be invisible makes things even fuzzier. But I DO know how they affect me, and I can pretty well judge how they affect us.
That's what I want to mitigate.
Nutty - Apr 18, 2003 2:31:29 pm PDT #725 of 10005
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."
Yeah, I get at your meaning, I think, and I agree with you. Just confused about the word usage.
Allyson - Apr 18, 2003 2:32:12 pm PDT #726 of 10005
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica
msbelle,
I said, "Saw boards degenerate due to the "kumbayah, i was bullied when i was wee so i need to accept everyone and let's hold hands and sing joy to the world!" contingency."
Fay responded, "As one of the kumbayah crowd,"
And then went on to describe something completely different than holding hands and accepting everyone.
And so I clarifi-fucking-fied by saying, "Fay, there's benefit of the doubt, and then there's closing your eyes, blocking your ears, and coddling the deranged kid who is running around biting the other kids, and telling the bitten to suck it up, because Little Johnny has ADD and his dad drinks.
There's leeway, and then there's the point where maybe lil Johnny needs to be moved to the special school, because this one doesn't have the resources to handle Johnny's issues. "
And then Fay flipped the fuck out.
Nutty - Apr 18, 2003 2:37:10 pm PDT #727 of 10005
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."
Allyson, cut it out with the cursing, please. No need to go there.
It's harder for me, anyway, to evaluate your argument when you're using swear words. It just makes me angry.