Like any of that's enough to fight the Dark Master. Bator.

Xander ,'Lessons'


Voting Discussion: We're Screwing In Light Bulbs AIFG!  

We open it up, we talks the talk, we votes, we shuts it down. This thread is to free up Bureaucracy for daily details as we hammer out the Big Issues towards a vote. Open only when a proposal has been made and seconded according to Buffista policy (Which we voted on!). If this thread is closed, hie thee to Bureaucracy instead!


Trudy Booth - Oct 16, 2016 2:58:16 pm PDT #9971 of 10289
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

I think y'all can try and stop beating yourselves up here.

He got a lot of slack because he was a maladjusted kid. He received forgiveness and discretion because we knew how screwed up his upbringing was. Many of us have been and even continue to be awkward or damaged or outsiders or otherwise have a lot to learn and extended kindness to him out of empathy as much as anything else.

He also received a lot of wise counsel for a good long time, however. And he did not take it. He did not slide from abused to abuser ignorant and isolated with no access to knowledge that could bring him evolution or redemption. Ultimately he embraced the arrogance and manipulation of his parents and as an adult employs them.

We did our best by someone who needed it and that was the right thing to do. Unfortunately, it did not work and it's time to say he can't be part of this community.


Trudy Booth - Oct 16, 2016 3:02:41 pm PDT #9972 of 10289
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

Maybe we should have pulled the plug sooner. Maybe we were discrete for too long. There is no perfect way to execute this sort of thing. I beg of you, cut yourselves as least as much slack as you cut him. That is kindness you deserve and will not abuse.


Beverly - Oct 16, 2016 3:11:04 pm PDT #9973 of 10289
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

(Hugs the stuffing out of Trudy.IJS.)


Steph L. - Oct 16, 2016 3:14:14 pm PDT #9974 of 10289
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe

I'm glad you posted that Strix. It's a valuable perspective. And I'm just glad to hear how you are doing, incidentally.

I agree 100%.


Glamcookie - Oct 16, 2016 3:19:14 pm PDT #9975 of 10289
I know my own heart and understand my fellow man. But I am made unlike anyone I have ever met. I dare to say I am like no one in the whole world. - Anne Lister

And after a quick fall into the Twitter rabbit-hole, I am even more shocked and outraged. Nope, nope, nope. He just has to go.


Steph L. - Oct 16, 2016 3:20:06 pm PDT #9976 of 10289
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe

I have no idea how to follow threads/conversations on Twitter. None. So I've read things here and there, but not much because I don't know how.


Glamcookie - Oct 16, 2016 3:24:36 pm PDT #9977 of 10289
I know my own heart and understand my fellow man. But I am made unlike anyone I have ever met. I dare to say I am like no one in the whole world. - Anne Lister

Suffice it to say that there are many women reporting abuse, gaslighting,manipulation, and have been through it multiple times with it always culminating in a mea culpa (as it has this time). Enough already. Dude needs some serious consequences - maybe it'll actually turn out to be helpful to him. Either way, I know it'll be helpful for the women in our community.


Laura - Oct 16, 2016 4:00:46 pm PDT #9978 of 10289
Our wings are not tired.

Thank you, Strix. I know that wasn't easy and I both understand and agree.


Anne W. - Oct 16, 2016 4:02:12 pm PDT #9979 of 10289
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

But being genuinely sorry doesn't mean shit in this kind of situation; demonstrating, over and over and over again, that you are no longer a toxic person is the only thing that really matters.

This. THIS. THIS. Thank you, Strix.


Lee - Oct 16, 2016 4:08:29 pm PDT #9980 of 10289
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

I've been hesitant to say anything on this since I am not here enough to feel like I should have much of a vote, but I support the stompy ban, and hate that this whole thing has happened.