I am so shocked right now. That said, he needs to go. Several members of our community have spoken up with truly horrendous stories and that is all I personally need to know. I sincerely hope that he learns and grows from this and apparently other situations stemming from his actions. Wow. Just, wow. I'm sorry to my fellow Buffistae who've suffered.
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Glamcookie - Oct 16, 2016 2:35:47 pm PDT #9968 of 10289
I know my own heart and understand my fellow man. But I am made unlike anyone I have ever met. I dare to say I am like no one in the whole world. - Anne Lister
-t - Oct 16, 2016 2:39:25 pm PDT #9969 of 10289
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration
I hope you can get rid of any guilt feelings quickly and easily, Dana. You have done nothing wrong, not even a little bit.
I'm glad you posted that Strix. It's a valuable perspective. And I'm just glad to hear how you are doing, incidentally.
brenda m - Oct 16, 2016 2:41:23 pm PDT #9970 of 10289
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there
I think voting to suspend the rules is the right thing to do. I'm sorry we didn't see that we had cause to take action before now.
Would it be a good idea to remove him from the FB group now so that if there's anyone who feels the need to share or chime in out of his view we have a place to do that? I don't want to split up the discussion but it strikes me that might be helpful in some ways.
Trudy Booth - Oct 16, 2016 2:58:16 pm PDT #9971 of 10289
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart
I think y'all can try and stop beating yourselves up here.
He got a lot of slack because he was a maladjusted kid. He received forgiveness and discretion because we knew how screwed up his upbringing was. Many of us have been and even continue to be awkward or damaged or outsiders or otherwise have a lot to learn and extended kindness to him out of empathy as much as anything else.
He also received a lot of wise counsel for a good long time, however. And he did not take it. He did not slide from abused to abuser ignorant and isolated with no access to knowledge that could bring him evolution or redemption. Ultimately he embraced the arrogance and manipulation of his parents and as an adult employs them.
We did our best by someone who needed it and that was the right thing to do. Unfortunately, it did not work and it's time to say he can't be part of this community.
Trudy Booth - Oct 16, 2016 3:02:41 pm PDT #9972 of 10289
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart
Maybe we should have pulled the plug sooner. Maybe we were discrete for too long. There is no perfect way to execute this sort of thing. I beg of you, cut yourselves as least as much slack as you cut him. That is kindness you deserve and will not abuse.
Beverly - Oct 16, 2016 3:11:04 pm PDT #9973 of 10289
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.
(Hugs the stuffing out of Trudy.IJS.)
Steph L. - Oct 16, 2016 3:14:14 pm PDT #9974 of 10289
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe
I'm glad you posted that Strix. It's a valuable perspective. And I'm just glad to hear how you are doing, incidentally.
I agree 100%.
Glamcookie - Oct 16, 2016 3:19:14 pm PDT #9975 of 10289
I know my own heart and understand my fellow man. But I am made unlike anyone I have ever met. I dare to say I am like no one in the whole world. - Anne Lister
And after a quick fall into the Twitter rabbit-hole, I am even more shocked and outraged. Nope, nope, nope. He just has to go.
Steph L. - Oct 16, 2016 3:20:06 pm PDT #9976 of 10289
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe
I have no idea how to follow threads/conversations on Twitter. None. So I've read things here and there, but not much because I don't know how.
Glamcookie - Oct 16, 2016 3:24:36 pm PDT #9977 of 10289
I know my own heart and understand my fellow man. But I am made unlike anyone I have ever met. I dare to say I am like no one in the whole world. - Anne Lister
Suffice it to say that there are many women reporting abuse, gaslighting,manipulation, and have been through it multiple times with it always culminating in a mea culpa (as it has this time). Enough already. Dude needs some serious consequences - maybe it'll actually turn out to be helpful to him. Either way, I know it'll be helpful for the women in our community.