About the situation on Twitter, most of the details are not being discussed publicly. For every angry, hurt vaguebook post you can see, please believe there is a MOUNTAIN of backchannel behind it where women are sharing their stories in safer spaces than the open Twitterverse.

I understand that, but it is difficult to take action on backchannel you are not a part of. I wasn't looking for proof, I just needed to know (some of) what he was being accused of. Jess's story was enough for me. I would support a ban.

Also, even if he is sincerely remorseful and eventually succeeds in his attempts to do better doesn't mean he doesn't have to suffer the consequences of his actions. The consequence being he is no longer welcome in this space.

Yeah, this is where I'm at, too. The other reason I support banning him is that to do less, now that we know how his actions have hurt people in our community, seems like a slap in the face to those he has hurt, pissed off, or driven away. And I would much rather support them than keep enabling him.

For these reasons, I too support the ban.

What Barb said (thank you, Barb!) is true to my experience of him in regard to his writing career, i.e. I was under the impression that a lot of the contacts he made (and close friendships he claimed) were efforts to get himself published and well-reviewed. I'm really disgusted that it was apparently something a lot uglier.

I was already supportive of a ban based on Jess's story alone, but just *knowing* that there's been extensive backchannel is more than enough to push me way over 100%. I don't need to know the details; just knowing that multiple people have compared notes and affirmed each other's accounts is more than enough.

I just remembered we used to call it bullshit consensus, when it was informal. Man, remember when we voted on things?

Anyway, do people want me to revise the proposal for a formal voting process? I don't think it's necessary, but I'm happy to do it.

I'm fine with a bullshit consensus in this case, and someone should probably also remove him from the facebook group if that hasn't already been done.

If the call is made either by consensus or vote then I can take him out of the FB group.

I'm in favor of the ban, so consider me bullshit consensed. I'm sorry that people have not felt safe here. Even though I'm not here much anymore, I love y'all like family. I hope PC gets his act together, but that sounds like a personal problem, not our problem.

In favor of the ban, and thanks for sharing Jess, and I'm sorry. And to everyone else who left or has been affected by his behavior and actions, how awful.

Thanks to everyone who shed light here, too.

Bullshit consensus works for me.