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Voting Discussion: We're Screwing In Light Bulbs AIFG!  

We open it up, we talks the talk, we votes, we shuts it down. This thread is to free up Bureaucracy for daily details as we hammer out the Big Issues towards a vote. Open only when a proposal has been made and seconded according to Buffista policy (Which we voted on!). If this thread is closed, hie thee to Bureaucracy instead!


Tom Scola - Sep 18, 2013 1:58:27 am PDT #9661 of 10289
Mr. Scola’s wardrobe by Botany 500

More than half of my shows right now are animated. And many of them, especially the kids’ shows, are genre-spanning and don’t fit easily into a single category.

For example, Futurama is gone now, but should it have gone in Comedy or Boxed Set?

My series: Adventure Time, Regular Show, Venture Bros, Legend of Korra, Dan Vs. (It's horrible, but Paget Brewster!), Gravity Falls. Shows I need to check out: Bob’s Burgers, Sanjay and Craig, Wander over Yonder (Craig McCracken and Lauren Faust!), and the upcoming Steven Universe. Also Beware the Batman, although I guess that should stay in Other Media.

Plus there’s always stuff on Adult Swim, and Fox is ramping up its Animation Domination block.

And as Hec pointed out, even if the shows don’t share the same genre, they share a lot of the same creators and voice talent.


§ ita § - Sep 18, 2013 5:03:14 am PDT #9662 of 10289
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

They're not genre spanning because they're animated, they're genre spanning and they're animated. If Futurama had been live-action, would the "problem" have gone away?

Do you want the thread because you watch a lot of animated shows, or do you want it because the shows share thematic similarities? What does grouping by actor do for the discussion? Would it be better to discuss Firefly near YJ. too?

(it goes without saying I want one thread that covers most of what I watch too, but there's not enough content similarity there)

I know I'm big on bright lines, and this is pretty damned bright, but there also has to be more to it than "we can tell them apart".

I didn't discuss Archer in Comedy because I felt frustrated I couldn't discuss it with Korra or Young Justice. I discussed it there because it was the funniest show on TV.


askye - Sep 18, 2013 6:05:07 am PDT #9663 of 10289
Thrive to spite them

I'm for an animation thread.

I'm making the argument that reality is a medium and not a genre. Reality shows can be broken up into different genres and there are lots of reality programs that don't resemble each other in terms of genre.

We have: Game Show/Competitive Reality -Chopped, Survivor, American Idol, So You Think You Can Dance

There's Sitcom style-Duck Dynasty - where the family has said that the producers give them "ideas" and they go and do the thing; Here Comes Honey Boo Boo, Modern Dads

Procedural style Reality - Alaskan State Troopers and First 48 Hours and a few others I can't remember the names of.

Sci fi/fantasy - The Mermaid exposed or alien autopsy, the ghost hunting ones.

Soap Opera- Real Housewives of (Fill in Town Here)

Thematically So You think You Can Dance and House Hunters International don't have anything in common but they are both under Reality thread.


Amy - Sep 18, 2013 7:15:24 am PDT #9664 of 10289
Because books.

I don't really have a horse in this race, but with reality TV, the common thread is that they're all unscripted. (You know, more or less.) That doesn't qualify as medium for me.


Tom Scola - Sep 18, 2013 9:35:49 am PDT #9665 of 10289
Mr. Scola’s wardrobe by Botany 500

What's wrong with having medium-related discussions? For me, the most interesting issues with the new season of Korra have been the replacement of Joaquin Dos Santos as the director, with the corresponding drop in animation quality, and the wholesale appropriation of Miyazaki imagery. That is a far different topic than what usually occurs in Boxed Set, and it also invites comparisons to other animated shows.


Laga - Sep 18, 2013 10:32:22 am PDT #9666 of 10289
You should know I'm a big deal in the Resistance.

I would look for Korra in Boxed Set. I don't feel like there is very much traffic in Comedy so it doesn't make sense to me for Bob's Burgers, Venture Brothers, and Archer to go elsewhere.


Polter-Cow - Sep 18, 2013 10:55:51 am PDT #9667 of 10289
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Korra was in Boxed Set, and I expected posts about the premiere there. And I think that the Comedy thread is MOSTLY those animated shows at this point, plus Community.


Matt the Bruins fan - Sep 18, 2013 12:38:33 pm PDT #9668 of 10289
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Well, there is the matter that removing animated shows from Comedy will turn it into a dedicated Community thread by default, but I have no objection to an anime thread.


DavidS - Sep 18, 2013 12:46:50 pm PDT #9669 of 10289
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

What's wrong with having medium-related discussions?

Concur with Tom's point here. There's no requirement to group by genre, just groupings that make sense. This is a completely defensible grouping with a range of interested parties who would prefer to discuss animation as animation.


Kalshane - Sep 19, 2013 6:53:50 am PDT #9670 of 10289
GS: If you had to choose between kicking evil in the head or the behind, which would you choose, and why? Minsc: I'm not sure I understand the question. I have two feet, do I not? You do not take a small plate when the feast of evil welcomes seconds.

I'm good with an animation thread, but admittedly for purely selfish reasons. I tend to be better at keeping up with my animated shows than my live-action ones, so an animation thread would allow me to discuss Korra without worrying about getting spoiled for Doctor Who or Arrow.

Above and beyond what's convenient for me, there is currently no obvious place to discuss things like anime (barring the rare movie that gets released in American theaters) or web-based series like RWBY. So the tread would serve a purpose beyond consolidating discussions from other threads.