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DavidS - Sep 17, 2013 5:31:59 pm PDT #9657 of 10289
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I watch so many TV animated shows and it would be a huge boon to have a place to discuss them here in one place.

I watch: Archer, Venture Brothers, Bob's Burgers, Legend of Korra, Gravity Falls et al.

A mixture of genres that often features the same voice actors and though they range from fantasy to adventure to comedy to children's shows there's a very good chance they'll feature H. Jon Benjamin and Kristen Schaal.

For me this is grouping that has broad appeal across the board and would benefit from a dedicated thread.


§ ita § - Sep 17, 2013 6:13:27 pm PDT #9658 of 10289
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Since it spans so many genres ("single camera" is a facile comparison, but what's in the shows isn't related to the medium) whether or not I'm up to date on Archer because I've watched Gravity Falls. To me, Archer & Robot Chicken are still Comedy, YJ is still Comics, Korra would be Boxed Set, etc, and I wouldn't gain anything by combining them.

We would still be able to talk about them there, right?


DavidS - Sep 17, 2013 7:31:06 pm PDT #9659 of 10289
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

We would still be able to talk about them there, right?

I don't talk about them anywhere, because to me they belong together and I don't got into Boxed Set.

There are several other dedicated TV box threads which are less related than this.

I literally don't talk about TV shows on B.org even though there are several shows I could talk about if they had a dedicated thread.

That is - to me - the most compelling argument.

Current thread structure mitigates against discussion.

Problems of thread creep? Man, that boat sailed.

There is no tight core.

Cable Drama, Procedurals, NonFiction TV.

How is this remotely different from Procedurals?


§ ita § - Sep 17, 2013 7:42:16 pm PDT #9660 of 10289
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I deleted a lot to say: Hec, you absolutely do discuss Archer in comedy, so my confusion at the rest of your post is irrelevantly moot.

Suffice it to say, YES, there is a thematic similarity to Procedurals that animated shows don't share, because animated is medium, not content. Reality is a genre, not a medium. Cable is a grouping of service and airing patterns that I a) find hella clumsy but b) is to minimise spoilage within the bucket.


Tom Scola - Sep 18, 2013 1:58:27 am PDT #9661 of 10289
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More than half of my shows right now are animated. And many of them, especially the kids’ shows, are genre-spanning and don’t fit easily into a single category.

For example, Futurama is gone now, but should it have gone in Comedy or Boxed Set?

My series: Adventure Time, Regular Show, Venture Bros, Legend of Korra, Dan Vs. (It's horrible, but Paget Brewster!), Gravity Falls. Shows I need to check out: Bob’s Burgers, Sanjay and Craig, Wander over Yonder (Craig McCracken and Lauren Faust!), and the upcoming Steven Universe. Also Beware the Batman, although I guess that should stay in Other Media.

Plus there’s always stuff on Adult Swim, and Fox is ramping up its Animation Domination block.

And as Hec pointed out, even if the shows don’t share the same genre, they share a lot of the same creators and voice talent.


§ ita § - Sep 18, 2013 5:03:14 am PDT #9662 of 10289
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

They're not genre spanning because they're animated, they're genre spanning and they're animated. If Futurama had been live-action, would the "problem" have gone away?

Do you want the thread because you watch a lot of animated shows, or do you want it because the shows share thematic similarities? What does grouping by actor do for the discussion? Would it be better to discuss Firefly near YJ. too?

(it goes without saying I want one thread that covers most of what I watch too, but there's not enough content similarity there)

I know I'm big on bright lines, and this is pretty damned bright, but there also has to be more to it than "we can tell them apart".

I didn't discuss Archer in Comedy because I felt frustrated I couldn't discuss it with Korra or Young Justice. I discussed it there because it was the funniest show on TV.


askye - Sep 18, 2013 6:05:07 am PDT #9663 of 10289
Thrive to spite them

I'm for an animation thread.

I'm making the argument that reality is a medium and not a genre. Reality shows can be broken up into different genres and there are lots of reality programs that don't resemble each other in terms of genre.

We have: Game Show/Competitive Reality -Chopped, Survivor, American Idol, So You Think You Can Dance

There's Sitcom style-Duck Dynasty - where the family has said that the producers give them "ideas" and they go and do the thing; Here Comes Honey Boo Boo, Modern Dads

Procedural style Reality - Alaskan State Troopers and First 48 Hours and a few others I can't remember the names of.

Sci fi/fantasy - The Mermaid exposed or alien autopsy, the ghost hunting ones.

Soap Opera- Real Housewives of (Fill in Town Here)

Thematically So You think You Can Dance and House Hunters International don't have anything in common but they are both under Reality thread.


Amy - Sep 18, 2013 7:15:24 am PDT #9664 of 10289
Because books.

I don't really have a horse in this race, but with reality TV, the common thread is that they're all unscripted. (You know, more or less.) That doesn't qualify as medium for me.


Tom Scola - Sep 18, 2013 9:35:49 am PDT #9665 of 10289
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What's wrong with having medium-related discussions? For me, the most interesting issues with the new season of Korra have been the replacement of Joaquin Dos Santos as the director, with the corresponding drop in animation quality, and the wholesale appropriation of Miyazaki imagery. That is a far different topic than what usually occurs in Boxed Set, and it also invites comparisons to other animated shows.


Laga - Sep 18, 2013 10:32:22 am PDT #9666 of 10289
You should know I'm a big deal in the Resistance.

I would look for Korra in Boxed Set. I don't feel like there is very much traffic in Comedy so it doesn't make sense to me for Bob's Burgers, Venture Brothers, and Archer to go elsewhere.