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Voting Discussion: We're Screwing In Light Bulbs AIFG!  

We open it up, we talks the talk, we votes, we shuts it down. This thread is to free up Bureaucracy for daily details as we hammer out the Big Issues towards a vote. Open only when a proposal has been made and seconded according to Buffista policy (Which we voted on!). If this thread is closed, hie thee to Bureaucracy instead!


Sean K - Apr 18, 2008 8:44:39 am PDT #8505 of 10289
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

To my eyes this reads as intentionally condescending and somewhat insulting. Sorry, but that's how it reads to me.

Huh. Okay.

I guess I don't see that, but if others do, I'll take that into account.

I really think there's a lot of condescension and insult on all sides of the argument, so I'm not sure why I'm being singled out. I especially think that the preservationist (thank you Wolfram) argument is at least as dismissive of our side, but yes, adding dismissiveness doesn't help.

Still, thank you. I will try to tone it down even more.


NoiseDesign - Apr 18, 2008 8:48:22 am PDT #8506 of 10289
Our wings are not tired

I really think there's a lot of condescension and insult on all sides of the argument, so I'm not sure why I'm being singled out.

I guess it is your turn. We've all been singled out in the past. I know you, and you're a close friend, and I know you don't intend to be fanning the flames. That's why I felt the need to call you on it.

I also firmly believe that even if I perceive that my opposition is using tactics that I consider inappropriate, that mean I should use those tactics.


Tamara - Apr 18, 2008 8:53:04 am PDT #8507 of 10289
You know, we could experiment and cancel football.

I still don't understand the desire to not have new threads or all the discussion (that is mostly kind of mean and spends a lot of time trying to make the "other guy" the bad guy), but then I have only been here 5 years or so and still feel like a total newbie.


Sean K - Apr 18, 2008 8:53:28 am PDT #8508 of 10289
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

Fair enough.


Aims - Apr 18, 2008 9:10:45 am PDT #8509 of 10289
Shit's all sorts of different now.

I'm not sure why I'm being singled out.

Pope's in town. You made inappropriate jokes. We'll get Joe and Drew later. *smooch*


NoiseDesign - Apr 18, 2008 9:15:43 am PDT #8510 of 10289
Our wings are not tired

Hey, the pope was asking for it, wearing those bright red FMP's and that half see through robe.


Miracleman - Apr 18, 2008 9:18:21 am PDT #8511 of 10289
No, I don't think I will - me, quoting Captain Steve Rogers, to all of 2020

Ratzinger's a sexy beast.


megan walker - Apr 18, 2008 9:26:20 am PDT #8512 of 10289
"What kind of magical sunshine and lollipop world do you live in? Because you need to be medicated."-SFist

Okay, I had to go away for a meeting.

I did want to point out that I do agree with Sean here:

But I would like to take this opportunity to point out that the anti-proliferationistas are just as vehement in their stance, yet it is the new thread proposers who are asked to not be so vehement in their desire for a new thread.

I tend to agree with Wolfram in that, while I am not anti-proliferation, I really don’t want anyone who wants to create a thread to be able to do. This position often seems lost in this discussion and often the response to a request for a new thread is greeted with something like msbelle’s comment in bureaucracy:

oh hell. SERIOUSLY!!! just open a thread for every single thing anyone wants, just do it and stop all the talk, it is so tiresome already.

All this to say that, while I think that Sean has perhaps been too vehement is his position, I understand why he feels on the defensive.


Sean K - Apr 18, 2008 9:30:29 am PDT #8513 of 10289
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

Pope's in town. You made inappropriate jokes. We'll get Joe and Drew later. *smooch*

I'm kicking puppies and eating babies right now, AIFG!


lisah - Apr 18, 2008 9:36:55 am PDT #8514 of 10289
Punishingly Intricate

while I am not anti-proliferation, I really don’t want anyone who wants to create a thread to be able to do. This position often seems lost in this discussion and often the response to a request for a new thread is greeted with something like msbelle’s comment in bureaucracy

Yeah this is also me.