Ratzinger's a sexy beast.

Okay, I had to go away for a meeting.

I did want to point out that I do agree with Sean here:

But I would like to take this opportunity to point out that the anti-proliferationistas are just as vehement in their stance, yet it is the new thread proposers who are asked to not be so vehement in their desire for a new thread.

I tend to agree with Wolfram in that, while I am not anti-proliferation, I really don’t want anyone who wants to create a thread to be able to do. This position often seems lost in this discussion and often the response to a request for a new thread is greeted with something like msbelle’s comment in bureaucracy:

oh hell. SERIOUSLY!!! just open a thread for every single thing anyone wants, just do it and stop all the talk, it is so tiresome already.

All this to say that, while I think that Sean has perhaps been too vehement is his position, I understand why he feels on the defensive.

Pope's in town. You made inappropriate jokes. We'll get Joe and Drew later. *smooch*

I'm kicking puppies and eating babies right now, AIFG!

while I am not anti-proliferation, I really don’t want anyone who wants to create a thread to be able to do. This position often seems lost in this discussion and often the response to a request for a new thread is greeted with something like msbelle’s comment in bureaucracy

Yeah this is also me.

Gaming is a subject Sean clearly cares about a great deal. That caring comes out in what he's saying. Ditto MM, but then if he didn't care, he wouldn't have proposed the new thread.

And I think everyone on both sides of this discussion cares about the board and wants what's best for it. There's honest disagreement about what that best is. It's also pretty clear that, at some level, people recognize that -- or maybe it's just board culture. But I'm not seeing any namecalling or other signs of flaming.

But I'm not seeing any namecalling or other signs of flaming.

I, uh...I did say that Certain Peoples' mothers dressed them funny.

But, you know...THEY DO! So NYAH!!

I do not like the proposed "Try it in OM first" idea because I have addressed a certain weird tendency towards reticence in the gamers around here (and, probably, around the world) when it comes to discussing their hobbies in a place not designated for it.

But we would explicitly be designating Other Media as a place to discuss gaming, at least for the duration of the experiment. Would that not help with the reticence?

But we would explicitly be designating Other Media as a place to discuss gaming, at least for the duration of the experiment. Would that not help with the reticence?

*shrug* Maybe. It was mentioned that gaming was included in the "charter" for OM and I didn't see any gaming talk take off there, so...I tend to doubt it.

But, I must admit, I proposed the thread, I want the thread so I may be biased.

Aw. Well it was in reaction to the Dollhouse thread talk, not this, but point taken.

I am, however, sick of the talk, which means I should just stay out of these threads. So many people attacked and like victims and we do it every quarter or so. My problem, I get it.

But we would explicitly be designating Other Media as a place to discuss gaming, at least for the duration of the experiment. Would that not help with the reticence?

It might. The thing is, sometimes there are capes in gaming.

Seriously, here are my thoughts about 30 Days of Gaming in OM:

PRO:
- I would love a place to talk about gaming here (RPGs, console, computer, board, the whole shebang)

- There are three Jossverse RPGs I know of, and a couple computer games, so it seems to fall under the board's umbrella

- Games are Other Media, and while that is sort of a catch-all thread, it doesn't seem like there's so much action in it as to make the gaming posts hard to pick out

CON:
- I have a hard time digging posts I'm interested in out of busy threads (I stopped reading Natter and Boxed Set for this reason). Especially when there's a risk of being spoiled (in the case of games, you can be spoiled for computer games...at least you could back when they had stories), I don't like taking that risk.

- The multitude of possible topics that could fall under "gaming" is so vast it might well take over OM (although this isn't a CON so much as an end-state for the test)

- "Other Media" is liberally named, but was originally a thread specifically for comics and graphic novels. I think if we compare the interest base (in terms of Buffistas and in terms of products to discuss) for graphic media to the base for games, we'd see close to parity.

I get what MM says about gamers still being in the closet. I was joking with someone today that I'd rather tell people I "impress" new members of the Fundamentalist LDS than that I game. But I honestly don't have an issue with flying my geek flag here, whichever thread I end up posting in.