if the "worst" that happens is getting your own thread to talk about this other show

If you don't want the separate thread, then it's not a good result, is it? Just like ND can't talk BSG, say, because of where it is, I don't talk Heroes here anymore. One of "my" shows getting a thread is in no way a win for me.

However, I'm probably more loosely attached to needing to talk TV here than many, since I've been talking TV elsewhere this whole time.

"Signal to noise ratio"

That was unfortunate short-hand I picked up in discussing trying to find certain discussions in natter (and during the whole experimental thread process). I am very sorry for my poor choice of words there.

Someone loves a show and shares the love in thread ==> More people start loving the show and talking about it more ==> Show builds in excitement until it's consistently dominating the thread ==> Board votes to spin off discussion of show into its own thread.

This is pretty close to what I was trying to ask. If we, as a board, had reached that point with SPN.

That was unfortunate short-hand I picked up in discussing trying to find certain discussions in natter (and during the whole experimental thread process). I am very sorry for my poor choice of words there.

It's no big, Frank, really. It never bothered me before -- I've even used the expression! It was just a little different for me when I realized I was the one making the "noise". But I really know that you didn't mean it that way.

And like I said, I proposed the thread partly out of guilt, because I didn't want other BS posters to feel crowded and unable to speak.

But if the "worst" that happens is getting your own thread to talk about this other show, I don't get why it's such a bad thing.

Again, not an SPN watcher, so this is hypothetical for me, but to me it's not whether there's a dedicated thread or not. It's the comfort level of continuing to post in the bucket thread. Discussions go on forever and a day in order to decide what goes in what threads and now people that are following those guidelines are basically being told that they talk too much. The fact that it's then being qualified to say that they only talk too much about SPN, but that everyone still wants to hear what they have to say about X, Y and Z, doesn't make it much better. If I were in this situation I would feel like if I chose to continue to go to Boxed Set to discuss X, Y and Z, that I would have to do it in a certain way and be careful to watch my X:Y:Z posting ratio. And when there's that much work involved to try to figure out which show it's okay to post about when, where's the fun or point of it all?

If I'd even remotely thought there was going to be this kind of massive kerfuffle I never would have hit post.

Um, have you met us?

Seriously, Frank, I for one, don't blame you, or Zen, or really anybody. It was going to happen, eventually. And if not SPN, then some other show. There comes a tip-over point. I, again, for one, didn't think we'd reached it yet, but obviously I was wrong.

I don't want to spoil anybody else's discussion or enjoyment of their shows. I want to discuss the shows I like with the people who share my squee. Obviously, obviously, the nearest thing to a satisfactory solution for the most people is a dedicated thread.

See, that? Stung. Even though Nutty was squeeing, too, I believe, which made it more confusing.

Oh, I'm so sorry, AmyLiz -- I really did mean it as a joke. I thought it was hilarious that we could be having the vaguely-rancorous conversation in Light Bulbs about Supernatural squee and having actual Superntural squee at the same time.

(And, I can't say I was squeeing, but I was definitely participating, so I thought it would be clear I was joking.)

My tone-o-meter, as someone said, may be set to "sensitive" right now, Nutty.

Or I could just be kind of dense.

then be told that you're talking too much about it?

I don't get that impression. The two cited posts seemed a bit cranky--the 7th grade slumberparty one in particular (unless that was someone joking about themselves), but I don't think that's what most of the folks in this discussion are thinking about. To me it seems anal0gous to LoTR and the Movies thread. People who wanted to talk about new releases or whatever were overwhelmed with discussion and squee and analysis and the LoTR thread was formed not to drive us out of movies but to make it possible for people to post about LoTR without worrying about constantly derailing ongoing discussions in Movies AND to be able to post ourselves without being interrupted. It felt like a win-win situation. SPN would be getting thread because so MANY folks love it and want to discuss it, not because so few do.

ETA: Ah, it was Nutty and she was joking. Okay.

(And, I can't say I was squeeing, but I was definitely participating, so I thought it would be clear I was joking.)

A lot of folks are probably on edge about the whole thing.

Why don't you propose a new place for you to talk about it?"

OK, I don't that's being fair to Frank. Here's exactly what he said:

This is belated, because work interfered, but you are right-- I thought I had edited it better than I really had, and then got called away. Sorry Frank, and no, no one is blaming you specifically, and I really am sorry it came out that way.

It was your comment that started the ball rolling, but if it hadn't been, it would have been someone else. The fact that whoever it was probably wouldn't have been an SPN viewer is make it seem off to me.