Voting Discussion: We're Screwing In Light Bulbs AIFG!
We open it up, we talks the talk, we votes, we shuts it down. This thread is to free up Bureaucracy for daily details as we hammer out the Big Issues towards a vote. Open only when a proposal has been made and seconded according to Buffista policy (Which we voted on!). If this thread is closed, hie thee to Bureaucracy instead!
Yup, I proposed it. And as someone who goes into Boxed Set only for SPN discussion, I didn't have any idea how others might feel pushed out. I was also accustomed to single-show threads for Lost and VM.
I will say that I felt a little weird posting about Padalecki's hair in BS the other night, because right now I feel like every post about SPN has a big red flag on it. Maybe that's just me, but at this point if an SPN thread doesn't get created, I think I'll be more inclined to restrain my fannish squee.
Which hurts *simply for me* because this is the first time I've ever been this fannish about a show from the get-go. I came to the Beta and here long after the communities and the shows were established. And squeeing (or media fannishness or whatever) is fun, for me. Especially when I get to do it with people I like.
I don't think Frank meant harm or hurt feelings. But I do sort of wish I had thought more about what a proposal like would mean before I ... proposed it.
Where will you do the discussing?
I'll probably leave it on LJ.
I've pretty much conceded that more people are unhappy having the discussion there than are happy having it there.
I don't have any sense that that's really true, though.
Since I have no dog in this fight, here's what makes me cranky about these discussions that feel like they're trying to work their way toward consensus: people concede what they want before they have to. To use this current argument as an example: I don't think you can know, even from reading this whole discussion, how many people are unhappy having the discussion there or how many are happy having it there. You can get a sense about how many people are posting about it, but even then, if you're not actually counting, it's easy to get distracted by people who are posting a lot, or posting passionately, or whatever. And god knows how many people have an opinion but haven't posted it in this thread. Or how many people posted and then changed their mind based on subsequent discussion.
But this is why I love the voting, and I know that not everyone does. I'm just saying -- don't vote a certain way because you think it's what "people" want. Vote a certain way because it's what you want.
Um. Tangent.
I'll probably leave it on LJ.
But, in some ways, LJ is even more threaded than here.
Is there any non-going-back-in-time solution here?
Honestly? Not really. We'll vote tomorrow, get a new thread and move on. Or we won't get a new thread and won't have this conversation again for six months. But I don't think that the latter is likely. Tardis aside, there is just the moving forward in time. And so we'll all move past it in a while, we always do.
Yes, there is a non-going back in time solution. We create the SPN thread, as Plei says, the ones who'll use it get to name it and create the slug. We shake hands, smile, and get on with things.
I don't blame Frank, I don't think anybody does. I don't blame Amy, who actually proposed the SPN thread. This was going to happen. But I echo Plei, about being reluctant to start any sort of in-depth discussion of any shows in Boxed Set, for fear of a repeat performance.
Denise has the right of it, for better or worse.
Why go back to Boxed Set and risk talking too much about another show that the thread was established for and then be told that you're talking too much about it? I know that may not be people's intentions, but that's the message that I see
And really, there's no cure for that, except to keep that sort of discussion to a place where everyone's agreed that it's fun and not impinging on anyone else's enjoyment. Which used to be Boxed Set, but now may well be LJ or IM or email. Yes, that's a note of regret.
But not resentment. Please take note of the difference.
But this is why I love the voting, and I know that not everyone does. I'm just saying -- don't vote a certain way because you think it's what "people" want. Vote a certain way because it's what you want.
At this point, I'm not even sure what I want. Other than that time machine thing.
Because at this point, irrational as it is to feel this way, I can't see myself going back and posting the same way as I used to, in the same place as I used to, even if through some off chance the thread doesn't get created.
And really, there's no cure for that, except to keep that sort of discussion to a place where everyone's agreed that it's fun and not impinging on anyone else's enjoyment.
Because at this point, irrational as it is to feel this way, I can't see myself going back and posting the same way as I used to, in the same place as I used to
I just don't get this. Is there more going on than Frank's one comment, that would stifle discussion?
But, in some ways, LJ is even more threaded than here.
How so? I mean, it doesn't feel like it the way I use it, but I use it in that specifically mediafannish way where I'm reading masses of journals and comms and it all blurs together in one happy clump of panfannish glory. Soon, your brain is mixing and matching Mounties and Rays with various and sundry superheroes and demon fighters! It's how crackaddled crossovers are born!
What sort of moratorium is there on requesting an SPN thread if this proposal gets voted down? Do we have to wait six months? Because I really don't feel comfortable discussing SPN in Boxed Set, or really, anywhere else on the board now, if it doesn't pass the vote.
