We killed a homeless man on this bench. Me and Dru. Those were good times. You know, he begged for mercy, and you know, that only made her bite harder.

Spike ,'Sleeper'


Voting Discussion: We're Screwing In Light Bulbs AIFG!  

We open it up, we talks the talk, we votes, we shuts it down. This thread is to free up Bureaucracy for daily details as we hammer out the Big Issues towards a vote. Open only when a proposal has been made and seconded according to Buffista policy (Which we voted on!). If this thread is closed, hie thee to Bureaucracy instead!


P.M. Marc - Jul 17, 2007 10:24:03 am PDT #7313 of 10289
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

But this is why I love the voting, and I know that not everyone does. I'm just saying -- don't vote a certain way because you think it's what "people" want. Vote a certain way because it's what you want.

At this point, I'm not even sure what I want. Other than that time machine thing.

Because at this point, irrational as it is to feel this way, I can't see myself going back and posting the same way as I used to, in the same place as I used to, even if through some off chance the thread doesn't get created.


Steph L. - Jul 17, 2007 10:26:23 am PDT #7314 of 10289
I look more rad than Lutheranism

And really, there's no cure for that, except to keep that sort of discussion to a place where everyone's agreed that it's fun and not impinging on anyone else's enjoyment.

Because at this point, irrational as it is to feel this way, I can't see myself going back and posting the same way as I used to, in the same place as I used to

I just don't get this. Is there more going on than Frank's one comment, that would stifle discussion?


P.M. Marc - Jul 17, 2007 10:27:24 am PDT #7315 of 10289
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

But, in some ways, LJ is even more threaded than here.

How so? I mean, it doesn't feel like it the way I use it, but I use it in that specifically mediafannish way where I'm reading masses of journals and comms and it all blurs together in one happy clump of panfannish glory. Soon, your brain is mixing and matching Mounties and Rays with various and sundry superheroes and demon fighters! It's how crackaddled crossovers are born!


Beverly - Jul 17, 2007 10:28:24 am PDT #7316 of 10289
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

What sort of moratorium is there on requesting an SPN thread if this proposal gets voted down? Do we have to wait six months? Because I really don't feel comfortable discussing SPN in Boxed Set, or really, anywhere else on the board now, if it doesn't pass the vote.


Jon B. - Jul 17, 2007 10:29:14 am PDT #7317 of 10289
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

How so?

I mean that you write a post and then people comment on the post immediately below that post. But I don't use LJ, so I'm probably ignorant of some co-mingling functionality.


Beverly - Jul 17, 2007 10:29:46 am PDT #7318 of 10289
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

I just don't get this. Is there more going on than Frank's one comment, that would stifle discussion?

Frank wasn't the only one who was uncomfortable with the volume and...volume of squee and flail.


P.M. Marc - Jul 17, 2007 10:34:17 am PDT #7319 of 10289
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Yeah, it's threaded comments, but the flist isn't threaded. So the effect of reading the flist is a mishmash of stuff all in a row.

I just don't get this. Is there more going on than Frank's one comment, that would stifle discussion?

Steph, I think this comment by Denise sums it how (irrationally or no) Bev and I are feeling right now.

Why go back to Boxed Set and risk talking too much about another show that the thread was established for and then be told that you're talking too much about it? I know that may not be people's intentions, but that's the message that I see being floated out there.


Cass - Jul 17, 2007 10:36:27 am PDT #7320 of 10289
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.

I just don't get this. Is there more going on than Frank's one comment, that would stifle discussion?
There have been over 350 posts in here. It wasn't a one comment thing or the first time this came up inthread. I thought we'd found a working compromise but obviously we didn't.

I actually feel horrible for Frankenbuddha that this issue has become so emotional for everyone but it obviously is and something has to change.

I think the format here works better than lj for discussing SPN. But it's not just about the format. If we get the thread, we'll go there. If we don't, we'll still find places to talk.

eta

sums it how (irrationally or no) Bev and I are feeling right now.
And me. I don't like feeling like this, but I do.


Amy - Jul 17, 2007 10:37:42 am PDT #7321 of 10289
Because books.

That was Denise.

"Signal to noise ratio" was the part that pinged me. Although I still don't think Frank meant any harm by it. Zen said all the talk had turned her *off* the show, too. (I think. Zen, was that you?)


Ailleann - Jul 17, 2007 10:37:43 am PDT #7322 of 10289
vanguard of the socialist Hollywood liberal homosexualist agenda

You can get a sense about how many people are posting about it, but even then, if you're not actually counting, it's easy to get distracted by people who are posting a lot, or posting passionately, or whatever. And god knows how many people have an opinion but haven't posted it in this thread.

It makes one wonder who feels what way. Which can ultimately only be determined by voting.

But I always wonder if the average reader/lurker who comes to this looking to form an opinion will think "man, it seems like a lot of people want X, so I'll vote that way." Which maybe isn't what the "actual" "majority" wants.

I have a feeling that the flail will be restrained if we (we = SPNers) remain in Boxed Set. Because we want to respect the desires of our fellow posters, and not get our peanut butter all up in their chocolate, and no one will be able to tell us to clear the hell out again for six months. (Using, you know, the royal "we" above.)