Um, aren't those the methods that what we're using vis-a-vis the potential SPN thread?

Yes, I said so.

while those methods are creaky and slower than some people would like, they do work. They are working.

How is the process being side-stepped or subverted?

Again, I was responding to Connie's post.

I should get lunch.

But this is the first time I can recall vocal people who watch the show not wanting a new thread.

Totally.

But since Boxed Set is a bucket thread, there are 2 groups being affected: (1) SPN watchers, and (2) other denizens of Boxed Set.

The SPN watchers feel like they're being kicked out and prevented from mediafannish discussion, while the other denizens of Boxed Set feel like the high volume of SPN posts makes it hard to discuss any other mediafannish shows.

But now the SPN watchers say they wouldn't feel welcome back in Boxed Set anyway, and the other Boxed Set denizens are saying "Hey, we like you; we're just trying to make mediafannish discussions easier for everyone!"

Is that about right?

Yeah, and wasn't Lyra Jane's intent to get the natter out of the way of the Buffytalk? So we come from a long and proud tradition of creating threads based on not wanting to talk about the topic in the existing thread! Heh.

Okay, sorry for this contentless digression.

That's my take.

And before we go ripping stuff apart to build a clone of something already done, we need to take another look at the community we'd be endangering.

Not getting this. I'm truly sorry you and others feel this way, but I don't understand how creating a new thread is destructive to the community. Or do you mean creating all individual show threads would be destructive? The only thing that I could see being destructive would be to shut down discussion of, for example, SPN. That isn't happening. The people pro-SPN thread aren't knocking the SPN people or talk. It's just that it feels like it could sustain its own thread. I don't think we should have individual threads for every show, but I think when one reaches a certain volume of posts, it's reasonable that it branch off.

Maybe reaching a consensus on what that volume limit is would be helpful for future discussions? That would take it out of any personal realm and base it solely on a pre-stated volume estimate. Thoughts?

ETA: Sorry, Beverly, I waited to hit post (someone was in the office) and now see that you meant all individual show threads.

I think Steph has nailed it.

I am trying to respond to the calls for dedicated threads for every show anybody's interested in talking about. That seems to be where this is headed, one show at a time.

I don't think that it is.

And I was addressing Connie's post.

I know that you were, but I thought it would be okay to respond to your thoughts even though they weren't addressed to me. I apologize.

But since Boxed Set is a bucket thread, there are 2 groups being affected: (1) SPN watchers, and (2) other denizens of Boxed Set.

There are actually a couple other groups:

(3) People who watch SPN but do not use Boxed Set

(4) People who do not post in Boxed Set but might if SPN was spun off into its own thread.

But since Boxed Set is a bucket thread, there are 2 groups being affected: (1) SPN watchers, and (2) other denizens of Boxed Set.

The SPN watchers feel like they're being kicked out and prevented from mediafannish discussion, while the other denizens of Boxed Set feel like the high volume of SPN posts makes it hard to discuss any other mediafannish shows.

But now the SPN watchers say they wouldn't feel welcome back in Boxed Set anyway, and the other Boxed Set denizens are saying "Hey, we like you; we're just trying to make mediafannish discussions easier for everyone!"

Is that about right?

Yes.

And at this point I just want it over, create an SPN thread, shake hands, smile, and get on with it.

As the traveling saleswoman rep for media fandom, I feel I must comment about this bit:

I feel like I must have totally misunderstood the meaning of media fannishness and the function of Boxed Set all along,

We were in ur thread, bein all subtext-y with ur content. Last time this came around, I made poor Vonnie an example of how the two of us might make eyes at each other in the thread, and most of the thread would be "hey, I think it's dusty in here!" while a small percentage would say, "Yeah, dusty. I believe I will take that feather duster and... go be in my bunk."

In the interest of spreading the eyefuckery around, I swear my next example will involve JZ. And a feather duster, if she so chooses.

To sum up: I think it's fair to say that something is not working, because quite a few pair of panties have gotten uncomfortable. Agreement on what exactly is not working, and how all the panties may unwind, is a completely different issue from agreeing that something is not working.

No, I really did not intend to turn Light Bulbs into a porn thread when I got up this morning.