But since Boxed Set is a bucket thread, there are 2 groups being affected: (1) SPN watchers, and (2) other denizens of Boxed Set.

There are actually a couple other groups:

(3) People who watch SPN but do not use Boxed Set

(4) People who do not post in Boxed Set but might if SPN was spun off into its own thread.

But since Boxed Set is a bucket thread, there are 2 groups being affected: (1) SPN watchers, and (2) other denizens of Boxed Set.

The SPN watchers feel like they're being kicked out and prevented from mediafannish discussion, while the other denizens of Boxed Set feel like the high volume of SPN posts makes it hard to discuss any other mediafannish shows.

But now the SPN watchers say they wouldn't feel welcome back in Boxed Set anyway, and the other Boxed Set denizens are saying "Hey, we like you; we're just trying to make mediafannish discussions easier for everyone!"

Is that about right?

Yes.

And at this point I just want it over, create an SPN thread, shake hands, smile, and get on with it.

As the traveling saleswoman rep for media fandom, I feel I must comment about this bit:

I feel like I must have totally misunderstood the meaning of media fannishness and the function of Boxed Set all along,

We were in ur thread, bein all subtext-y with ur content. Last time this came around, I made poor Vonnie an example of how the two of us might make eyes at each other in the thread, and most of the thread would be "hey, I think it's dusty in here!" while a small percentage would say, "Yeah, dusty. I believe I will take that feather duster and... go be in my bunk."

In the interest of spreading the eyefuckery around, I swear my next example will involve JZ. And a feather duster, if she so chooses.

To sum up: I think it's fair to say that something is not working, because quite a few pair of panties have gotten uncomfortable. Agreement on what exactly is not working, and how all the panties may unwind, is a completely different issue from agreeing that something is not working.

No, I really did not intend to turn Light Bulbs into a porn thread when I got up this morning.

Actually, it occurs to me that there's probably a 5th group, who might provide some useful insight:

(5) People who watch SPN and use Boxed Set but who would like/be happy with a separate SPN thread.

That is, are there any SPN viewers who use Boxed Set but who DON'T feel like they're being shoved out and instead think that maybe an SPN thread could be a good thing?

I'd be interested in hearing from them.

I don't think that it is.

I may possibly be over-reacting.

And I was addressing Connie's post.

I know that you were, but I thought it would be okay to respond to your thoughts even though they weren't addressed to me. I apologize.

Of course it's okay, no need for apology, see over-reacting above. Also, see lack of lunch, above. Going to rectify that, right now.

I didn't pay attention to the discussion of creating a Heroes thread, because I wasn't watching the show at the time, but it (and Lost, maybe) seems to be a different case than Veronica Mars was. As far as I can recall, there was no in-depth discussion about creating that thread (although I could be, and often am, wrong).

Would that be because VM talk was in Natter at the time? I'm thinking this is a definitely a use-of-Boxed Set issue, rather than a single-thread-for-every-show issue.

No, I really did not intend to turn Light Bulbs into a porn thread when I got up this morning.

Not a bad plan.

There were SPN viewers above that posted a desire for an SPN thread. Um, but I'm not going to scroll back and see who they were again.

I think it's fair to say that something is not working, because quite a few pair of panties have gotten uncomfortable.

I don't think this is about Supernatural and Boxed Set, per se. I think it's about two things. One being that we still haven't solved how to combine fragmentation fear with TV watching. Two is this is our "shake out the sillies" moment. We get our panties in a bunch at semi-regular intervals to release our pent-up aggression at each other and craft long posts about why in the hell we're still all here anyway.

We get our panties in a bunch at semi-regular intervals to release our pent-up aggression at each other and craft long posts about why in the hell we're still all here anyway.

Yes, but it usually involves extended metaphors involving wagon trains and urban plumbing (sometimes with cocktails!).

That is, are there any SPN viewers who use Boxed Set but who DON'T feel like they're being shoved out and instead think that maybe an SPN thread could be a good thing?

I would too. One of my biggest problems with this whole thing is that it's seemed to me to have come out of someone saying essentially "you all talk too much about a show I don't watch, so I don't think you should talk about it here anymore. Why don't you propose a new place for you to talk about it?" It's grown since then, with a couple of people saying they might join in if there was a dedicated space if they have time, but the fact that this is how it started still bugs.