I am not...I am not the damsel in distress. I am not some case. I have to work this. I've lived in a cave for 5 years in a world where they killed my kind like cattle. I am not going to be cut down by some monster flu. I am better than that. What a wonder...how very scared I am.

Fred ,'A Hole in the World'


Voting Discussion: We're Screwing In Light Bulbs AIFG!  

We open it up, we talks the talk, we votes, we shuts it down. This thread is to free up Bureaucracy for daily details as we hammer out the Big Issues towards a vote. Open only when a proposal has been made and seconded according to Buffista policy (Which we voted on!). If this thread is closed, hie thee to Bureaucracy instead!


§ ita § - Jul 17, 2007 5:56:57 am PDT #7241 of 10289
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

But please don't suggest I go away.

I'm still confused. Who suggested anyone leave?

Even if there were encouragement to get your fix anywhere, that's not inherently the same thing as going away from here.

As noted above, there are Buffistas who frequent other sites for other things. I am not, and will never be, board monogamous.

If you want your show thread model and you want it specifically here, that's your choice. But pointing out that some of us use that show thread model successfully elsewhere--I severely doubt the intent was to run you off the board.

It is only about going away because you don't want to be polygamous about it. It's not the same thing as being told to leave.


Pix - Jul 17, 2007 5:59:12 am PDT #7242 of 10289
The status is NOT quo.

If you want your show thread model and you want it specifically here, that's your choice. But pointing out that some of us use that show thread model successfully elsewhere--I severely doubt the intent was to run you off the board.

It is only about going away because you don't want to be polygamous about it. It's not the same thing as being told to leave.

I don't feel like people want to shoo me away altogether, and I'm sorry if what I said came across that way. I just woke up and was feeling defensive and sad, is all. Really I just meant what Jon said:

I currently feel alienated sometimes in BS. Is my alienation any less valid? (I'm speaking rhetorically, Frank. I know you didn't mean it that way.)

Because honestly, this is a lot less about wanting to talk TV than it is about wanting to talk with my friends here about TV. What I'm missing is a chance to chat with Buffistas about the SGs and such, not a chance to talk about the shows themselves.

But the thing is? Many of my dearest friends are on the other side of this, and I've already given up posting about TV with them. I think I'm going to just step back and out of this conversation rather than get hurt or hurt them any more at this point. Not flouncing off, honest. Just wanted to express how I'm feeling. I respect that others feel differently.


bon bon - Jul 17, 2007 6:07:28 am PDT #7243 of 10289
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

NoiseDesign - Jul 17, 2007 6:51:33 am PDT #7244 of 10289
Our wings are not tired

Here's my thing about cross pollination. I've not been able to follow boxed set in a long time, and yet, through people on this board I still heard about Supernatural, and Eureka, and BSG, and The Riches, and Ice Road Truckers. It was from comments scattered around the various threads or from quick conversations in IM with folks. That's the thing, for me the cross pollination happens through connections with people, and the fewer threads that I can participate in means fewer ways for me to connect with these people. Also, these people are my friends, they are all of you, people I really enjoy. It's hard to express how much I miss talking about these shows with people here and yet that's the way it's been for me for a long time now.

Also, I don't see how bucket threads are more of a board culture than single threads. This board was founded around Buffy and then Angel, and then grew to Firefly. All of these shows had single threads.


Topic!Cindy - Jul 17, 2007 7:12:21 am PDT #7245 of 10289
What is even happening?

To win a vote, the option must have 50% +1. So if the majority vote No Preference, that is essentially a Take No Action vote.
To win a vote, the option must have 50%+1 of the yes/no (or actionable) votes.

Example. Our minimum vote total is 42. If 20 people vote YES, and 17 people vote NO, and 5 people vote NO PREFERENCE, the yes votes take the day. You don't need 50%+1 of 42 (or more). You need 50%+1 of the quantity [yes votes + no votes].


NoiseDesign - Jul 17, 2007 7:14:26 am PDT #7246 of 10289
Our wings are not tired

Interesting. 39 people could vote no pref 2 could vote yes and one no and yes would get it.


Laura - Jul 17, 2007 7:16:37 am PDT #7247 of 10289
Our wings are not tired.

Yes, but if people didn't want it to pass they would vote No.


Topic!Cindy - Jul 17, 2007 7:18:41 am PDT #7248 of 10289
What is even happening?

Interesting. 39 people could vote no pref 2 could vote yes and one no and yes would get it.

Right. Essentially, the 39 people don't care what the outcome is, but do agree whatever issue at hand needs to be resolved (probably because they're frigging sick of hearing about it).


Jon B. - Jul 17, 2007 7:41:12 am PDT #7249 of 10289
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

We just had a discussion about No Preference votes in Bureaucracy.


Beverly - Jul 17, 2007 8:08:13 am PDT #7250 of 10289
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

ita got me.

I wasn't shooing anybody away, either from a particular thread or b.org in general. I was genuinely asking--because it seems strange to me because I've never thought of b.org as that sort of board--if people here would really prefer to reproduce the board experience of WX. And if so, why?

Kristin and Drew said it's because they want to talk about the shows they watch with the people here, and okay, I get that. That's an aspect I hadn't considered.

I just think that individual show threads are already created--albeit on another board--so I was wondering why replicate that experience *here*? Because aside from the Whedon shows, that has never been the experience of *this* board. B.org has always been more like an organic conversation. We've split off subjects that threaten to take over the room (movies, music, books, writing and fic), and even tv. But aside from the Whedon shows and behemoths like Lost (used to be), Veronica Mars, and Heroes (still not convinced that was a good idea, but that's my own personal opinion), the tv shows have been grouped into shared threads.

But if people are considering a television folder with a hundred or more individual show-dedicated threads, that's... boggling. That's a huge culture change. And I can't quite see the reason for it, the necessity for it, when something *just like that* already exists.

I may be dense, but I'm not trying to shoo anybody away. I'm just trying to understand what other people want and expect from this board.