Wash: Little River just gets more colorful by the moment. What'll she do next? Zoe: Either blow us all up or rub soup in our hair. It's a toss-up. Wash: I hope she does the soup thing. It's always a hoot, and we don't all die from it.

'Objects In Space'


Voting Discussion: We're Screwing In Light Bulbs AIFG!  

We open it up, we talks the talk, we votes, we shuts it down. This thread is to free up Bureaucracy for daily details as we hammer out the Big Issues towards a vote. Open only when a proposal has been made and seconded according to Buffista policy (Which we voted on!). If this thread is closed, hie thee to Bureaucracy instead!


Sean K - Jul 16, 2007 9:18:32 pm PDT #7201 of 10289
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

I don't think it's a chasm or a case of some board members being pushed somewhere so much as different styles. I don't see anything other than personal preferences bumping up against each other, which happens in any group of more than, well, one person--it doesn't feel to me like a huge difference in the board itself.

Okay, "unspannable chasm" is voerstating it. But it does seem to me that there are a couple of unresolved issues that crop up over and over again, and that maybe if we could just find a sideways to come at them, we could resolve these issues.

And I sometimes wonder (especially after this conversation) if we aren't invisibly beholden to our past in ways that are complicating these issues.


DavidS - Jul 16, 2007 9:19:46 pm PDT #7202 of 10289
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

if we aren't invisibly beholden to our past in ways that are complicating these issues.

We call that "board culture."


Sean K - Jul 16, 2007 9:26:08 pm PDT #7203 of 10289
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

Snerk.


Denise - Jul 16, 2007 9:28:35 pm PDT #7204 of 10289

And I think Kat might be on to something, as far as no longer including a "No Opinion" choice. I'm abstaining from the vote completely.

I don't know that that's the answer either, though. I've voted no preference on issues before because *I* have no particular preference and would like to throw my support to the majority. If I knew what the majority of people that do have a preference for this particular issue wanted, I would vote that way. But, since I don't, I will probably vote no preference so that I will count toward the minimum number of votes needed, while the people that do have a preference can be the deciders. Not caring what the outcome is doesn't translate to me not caring whether there is an outcome or not. Does that make sense?


Sean K - Jul 16, 2007 9:32:30 pm PDT #7205 of 10289
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

Not caring what the outcome is doesn't translate to me not caring whether there is an outcome or not. Does that make sense?

Absolutely. But for me, on this issue specifically, I feel so Not Involved In This Specific Issue that I don't feel right even voting No Preference.


Denise - Jul 16, 2007 9:38:21 pm PDT #7206 of 10289

Oh, I wasn't questioning your decision not to vote at all, Sean. I was addressing the suggestion to not have no preference as option to those who wanted it as one.


Cass - Jul 16, 2007 11:07:17 pm PDT #7207 of 10289
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.

I don't understand how having a separate thread could ever be exclusionary if everyone who wants to join can.
Personally, as someone who is in Boxed Set and watches SPN? Because I am never going to watch those other shows in the first place otherwise. I watch things when I read interesting discussions about them and people intrigue me.

I have two new shows to catch eps of because an unboard person burbled in lj and got my interest.

I watched BSG because of the board and discussion in Boxed Set. And Eureka. And Dresden. And SGA. And got back into SG-1. And, even, Supernatural.

Would the people feeling like SPN can't be removed from Boxed Set no longer post in Boxed Set if SPN is removed? Or would they have two conversations--one about SPN in that thread, and one about other Boxed Set shows?
Not as any kind of protest, but when I run out of time, I unsubscribe from threads I care less about. And so, yeah, I probably would rarely be back in Boxed Set. Now when I am skimming through the shows in Boxed Set that I don't really watch, I still catch bits and conversations get my attention and I stop to read them.


Lee - Jul 16, 2007 11:19:26 pm PDT #7208 of 10289
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

Not as any kind of protest, but when I run out of time, I unsubscribe from threads I care less about. And so, yeah, I probably would rarely be back in Boxed Set.

I meant to agree with Plei earlier when she said something similar, but this is where I would be as well. The only other show from Boxed Set I watch right now is Eureka, and that has a short enough season that it will be over before most new shows start. Straight SFF just doesn't do much for me, and in all honesty, after all of this, I'm not completely sure I'd even be comfortable in Boxed Set anyway.


Jon B. - Jul 17, 2007 2:47:03 am PDT #7209 of 10289
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

Then again SPN is not Heroes, and so we can't assume that an SPN thread would fall quiet just because a Heroes thread has. In its favor, SPN generates a lot of discussion of fic, so it may well create more sustained discussion during reruns.

SPN has been in reruns all summer and it's still dominating Boxed Set with sustained discussion. Why would it be any different in its own thread?


Beverly - Jul 17, 2007 3:50:50 am PDT #7210 of 10289
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

I'm in the same boat with Cass and Lee with regard to giving new-to-me shows a look because someone in Boxed Set is enthusiastic about a show I don't watch. And this:

Not as any kind of protest, but when I run out of time, I unsubscribe from threads I care less about. And so, yeah, I probably would rarely be back in Boxed Set.

and this:

in all honesty, after all of this, I'm not completely sure I'd even be comfortable in Boxed Set anyway.

So right now, whether or not I ever use either thread myself I'd vote to get the elephant into its own thread just so it stops kludgeing up Boxed Set for other people.