Do I see a tendency towards creating single show threads that ulitimately become smaller enclaves that are not as fruitful for inclusive discussion? yes.
Me too.
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Lee - Jul 15, 2007 1:36:35 pm PDT #7033 of 10289
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.
DXMachina - Jul 15, 2007 1:39:23 pm PDT #7034 of 10289
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.
Part of cross-pollination, to me, is discussing shows *in relation to, and in comparison to or with, each other*.
How much of this is really happening though? Are people discussing SPN in comparison with SGA or BSG, because I really haven't noticed much of that outside of occasional comparisons with Buffy, which isn't one of the shows in the thread. However, I do skip most of the SPN talk so I may have totally missed it.
Do I see a tendency towards creating single show threads that ulitimately become smaller enclaves that are not as fruitful for inclusive discussion? yes.
The flip side to this question is what do we do when a show so overwhelms a bucket thread that the other shows get short shrift? SPN really has developed a momentum in the thread over the last few months. Last year there wasn't a lot of SPN talk out of season. This week there were almost 250 posts of W&P and analysis for a rerun. That's a lot of material to have to skim. By comparison, the season premiere of Eureka had only about half that many posts.
Amy - Jul 15, 2007 1:52:33 pm PDT #7035 of 10289
Because books.
Amy, I hope you know I wasn't trying to pressure you into anything. I hope I didn't make you feel that way.
Not at all. I was off seeing OotP with the family.
I'm not sure what I feel like doing yet. I think the discussion is certainly valuable, although it does seem very familiar after the discussions about the TV bucket threads. There seem to be a few ways at looking at TV threads and discussion of same in here, and there's clearly not one way that's going to satisfy everyone, or even most people.
I also think I'm not familiar enough with board history and culture to really be in a position to judge this, because all I really want to do is to keep discussing SPN (with squeeing and flailing) somewhere and not intrude on others' space.
That said, I think the discussion should continue for a while and then I'll make a call about tabling it or not.
DavidS - Jul 15, 2007 2:29:41 pm PDT #7036 of 10289
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
FWIW, I don't really want this question resolved in the sense that future decisions are predicated on some principle we extract here.
I think sometimes bucket threads are better and sometimes single show threads are better and we have to revisit this question when the pressure arises.
Boxed Set is kind of Fandomville, but that means different things to different people. I will note that Squeeage can be alienating and feel exclusive if you're on the outside of it. Whereas other types of discussion are more likely to have the cross-pollinating effect that people like about bucket threads.
OTOH, Squeeage is very reinforcing when you're in on it. It's the shared excitement and appreciation and sense of mutual culture that's really exciting about fandom.
Everybody typing "Giles!" after "I'd like to test that theory" is that kind of Squeeage.
P.M. Marc - Jul 15, 2007 2:35:49 pm PDT #7037 of 10289
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear
I share Nutty's concern about losing the original thread feel, because I'm offa my lawn like that, and also for weird and somewhat gendered reasons such as have been discussed in depth over at Henry Jenkins' place. Which, I own, is a me issue.
How much of this is really happening though? Are people discussing SPN in comparison with SGA or BSG, because I really haven't noticed much of that outside of occasional comparisons with Buffy, which isn't one of the shows in the thread.
There's not a lot of that. There is digression into other genre TV work by the various actors (SPN segues into our Periodic Dark Angel Discussions). But it's not the same kind of genre show as BSG or SGA, being neither ensemble nor in space. There's some, I think, discussion about it as related to X-Files, which is a more logical leap to make (shared staffing, two main characters vs. the world, the truth is out there), though that may have been limited to discussion in the fic thread.
NoiseDesign - Jul 15, 2007 4:38:11 pm PDT #7038 of 10289
Our wings are not tired
I know that folks feel that single show threads will create closed little enclaves but how is that different than the essentially closed enclave that is created by a bucket thread. For me the bucket aspect is an exclusionary aspect.
Dana - Jul 15, 2007 5:53:57 pm PDT #7039 of 10289
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.
I'm halfway intrigued by the idea of a watch-n-post thread, though I'm not sure at all how it would work in practice.
Kat - Jul 15, 2007 6:49:22 pm PDT #7040 of 10289
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo
I kind of love a W&P thread since west coasters never get to participate in W&P anyway, if it were all self-contained it would make my life easier.
Though I love it conceptually, I doubt I'd vote for one because I can't figure out how it would work in practice.
Consuela - Jul 15, 2007 6:57:00 pm PDT #7041 of 10289
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix
Just pondering here: I wonder if it would make sense to have a show-specific thread, and then, if the volume tails off (say the show tanks--perish the thought!), wrap it back into Boxed Set.
Because there's no reason to be wed to a single-show thread forever, if we start one up, right?
Say I wanted to talk about Veronica Mars now, now that the thread's been closed. I could do it somewhere, right? Probably Natter, I guess? But it wouldn't be offtopic for the board (because nothing's really off-topic anyway).
Does that make sense?
Cass - Jul 15, 2007 8:44:58 pm PDT #7042 of 10289
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.
Really? More than Lost or Veronica Mars or Heroes?From my recollection only, the people who asked for and wanted those threads were the people that were going to be posting there. That is a huge difference to me.
And from what has been posted here, we (of the SPN watchers who both often post in BS and also have posted in this discussion) would go to the single thread if there is a vote and a stand-alone thread is created out of that because we love the show and want to talk about it. But we're not looking to leave BS and saying that we'd really like to have a shiny new thread of our very own.