Mal: How come you didn't turn on me, Jayne? Jayne: Money wasn't good enough. Mal: What happens when it is? Jayne: Well... that'll be an interesting day.

'Serenity'


Voting Discussion: We're Screwing In Light Bulbs AIFG!  

We open it up, we talks the talk, we votes, we shuts it down. This thread is to free up Bureaucracy for daily details as we hammer out the Big Issues towards a vote. Open only when a proposal has been made and seconded according to Buffista policy (Which we voted on!). If this thread is closed, hie thee to Bureaucracy instead!


Gandalfe - Apr 14, 2003 5:34:35 pm PDT #652 of 10289
The generation that could change the world is still looking for its car keys.

The 6 month period seems, to me, to be too long. I'd be more in favor of 2 months. I, for example, have had a couple of bitchy periods in the last few months, times when I've pissed off several people (maybe up to 10, but hey, amnesty!) but have, with those exceptions, been, well, maybe not the model poster, but certainly not that bad. , even if I do use runon sentences. However, I don't think (hope) that, even if I had pissed enough people off both times, I'm bad enough for the 2nd step of the process.

I think that the vote should probably include the timeframe the warning is in effect for, tho.

Edited to add actual content.


Daisy Jane - Apr 14, 2003 5:37:00 pm PDT #653 of 10289
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."

Actually can that be a different thing? For me this policy is too important to have the time limit muddying it.


Daisy Jane - Apr 14, 2003 5:38:09 pm PDT #654 of 10289
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."

Sorry for the serial.

Actually, IIRC, adding the time limit to the vote is up to msbelle.


amyth - Apr 14, 2003 5:41:22 pm PDT #655 of 10289
And none of us deserving the cruelty or the grace -- Leonard Cohen

I say, "yes" to the proposal. I'm okay with 48 hrs. instead of 24, because of the weekend stuff, as long as the warning happens after 10 people have said okay.

I'm cool with the six-month reset.

The 6 month period seems, to me, to be too long. I'd be more in favor of 2 months.

I think if the behavior warrants a warning, we have a right to expect a person to keep from doing it for six months. That's not so much to ask. Besides, the next step is a suspension, not a banning, and if, after in-thread attempts, discussion in Bureaucracy, a warning and a renewed (and clarified) opportunity to change whatever it is that's got folks so upset, a person is unable to keep from doing whatever-it-is for six months, then I think it shows a lack of consideration for the community. (Run-on sentence, much?)


Katie M - Apr 14, 2003 5:43:41 pm PDT #656 of 10289
I was charmed (albeit somewhat perplexed) by the fannish sensibility of many of the music choices -- it's like the director was trying to vid Canada. --loligo on the Olympic Opening Ceremonies

Well, "whatever-it-is" is "offending someone," right? So theoretically, if someone gets a warning for, I don't know, calling me a poopyhead, and then two months later someone complains about them repeatedly posting spoilers in the show topics without whitefont, they'd still get suspended even if they'd been very good about not calling anyone a poopyhead.


Gandalfe - Apr 14, 2003 5:43:43 pm PDT #657 of 10289
The generation that could change the world is still looking for its car keys.

It just seems to me that, if the suspension is for 2 months, we shouldn't have the walking-on-egshells period be THREE TIMES that length.


Daisy Jane - Apr 14, 2003 5:46:35 pm PDT #658 of 10289
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."

Well, "whatever-it-is" is "offending someone," right? So theoretically, if someone gets a warning for, I don't know, calling me a poopyhead, and then two months later someone complains about them repeatedly posting spoilers in the show topics without whitefont, they'd still get suspended even if they'd been very good about not calling anyone a poopyhead.

Frankly, yes. Because the second thing would have been followed with inthread corrections and the whole 9 too. That's a pattern of disrespectful behavior IMO.


msbelle - Apr 14, 2003 5:46:52 pm PDT #659 of 10289
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

Actually, IIRC, adding the time limit to the vote is up to msbelle.

Yeah, it's my call, but I want opinions. I may be power hungry, but I promise not to just throw in all my pet projects like Congress does (although everyone wear pink day would be good).

Galdalfe, how do you think you would have responded if you were confronted about one of your pissy posts in thread?(maybe this happened and I am unaware).


Jesse - Apr 14, 2003 5:47:29 pm PDT #660 of 10289
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

But, Gandalfe, it's not a walking-on-eggshells period. It's an Acting Right period. You can see that we, as a group, do not have a tendency to jump on people for every little thing.


amyth - Apr 14, 2003 5:51:05 pm PDT #661 of 10289
And none of us deserving the cruelty or the grace -- Leonard Cohen

it's not a walking-on-eggshells period. It's an Acting Right period.

Yes, this. Why is that so much to ask, especially after all the prior steps and discussion?