Angel: Connor, this is Spike and Illyria. Guys, this is Connor. Connor: Hi. umm...I like your outfit. Illyria: Your body warms. This one is lusting after me. Connor: Oh...no, I--I--it's just that it's the outfit. I guess I've had a thing for older women. Angel: They were supposed to fix that.

'Origin'


Voting Discussion: We're Screwing In Light Bulbs AIFG!  

We open it up, we talks the talk, we votes, we shuts it down. This thread is to free up Bureaucracy for daily details as we hammer out the Big Issues towards a vote. Open only when a proposal has been made and seconded according to Buffista policy (Which we voted on!). If this thread is closed, hie thee to Bureaucracy instead!


esse - Aug 20, 2003 7:15:33 am PDT #2964 of 10289
S to the A -- using they/them pronouns!

I'd be okay with combining them all, but I do think there's something of a different feel in the Farscape thread from the others.

I get the archiving thing now--but topically, would Previously and Spoilers change that much? In Spoilers, there's been both Angel and Buffy discussion, and once we completely shift to Angel discussion (which we have been doing) I don't think it'll throw anyone for a loop to look for what they've posted about Angel in the spoiler thread as long as they know it's the spoiler thread.


brenda m - Aug 20, 2003 7:16:19 am PDT #2965 of 10289
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Maybe we should see if any of them can be brought out of the woodwork. I'll put a mention in DS that this conversation is happening - does someone who hangs out there want to do Farscape and Smallville.


Sean K - Aug 20, 2003 7:20:25 am PDT #2966 of 10289
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

On the other hand, that would require people who were only interested in Farscape to see a bunch of posts about other shows that they weren't interested in, which I sympathize with even if it probably wouldn't affect my vote.

I think making the Farscape thread a sci-fi TV show thread is better suited to it's nature, and provided it's sci-fi shows for the most part, I don't care what other shows get discussed there, whether I watch them or not.

For all the description of Due South as a HoYay thread, it's really not so much.

I think the Smallville thread is more of a HoYay thread than Due South, I think it's just seemed that the discussions in dS are of a different nature than the discussions in Farscape.

Either way, I'm not particularly attached to which shows are discussed where, it just seems that folding our non-ME specific show threads into logical groupings like Sci-Fi TV and HoYay TV is the best way to handle our TV discussion, and consolidate smaller volume threads into slightly broader threads, which Kristen has indicated will help.

Sci-Fi and HoYay are the two main groupings that seem to make sense. If we can find a third apporpriate category we might want to think about a third thread, but consolidating threads works best if you end up with fewer than you started. I don't see that a Reality TV thread would generate quite enough traffic, because there's only one or two reality shows we like, and they don't air simultaneously, and there doesn't seem to be quite enough discussion of any of the reality shows to warrant it's own thread.

If we do Sci-Fi and HoYay, we consolidate from three(?) threads down to two, and broaden the purpose of each enough to warrant a seperate thread while not making them so narrow that only a small handful of people will use them and post only sporadically.


Katie M - Aug 20, 2003 7:26:15 am PDT #2967 of 10289
I was charmed (albeit somewhat perplexed) by the fannish sensibility of many of the music choices -- it's like the director was trying to vid Canada. --loligo on the Olympic Opening Ceremonies

Sci-Fi and HoYay are the two main groupings that seem to make sense.

I dunno - it feels really artificial to me. Why do we need two topics? Farscape's had eight posts in the last week. Due South is almost exclusively genre shows - not all sci-fi, to be sure, but the only non-fantastic show that's had any discussion recently that I can think of is a recent four-post excursion into CSI.

I think what we're discussing in Smallville (well, when there was discussion in Smallville) and Farscape and Due South is basically TV that's inspired fannish behavior, really. It's the fannishness that serves as the common thread.


askye - Aug 20, 2003 7:30:26 am PDT #2968 of 10289
Thrive to spite them

Stargate fits with Due South and the other HoYAY shows because that's a large part of what is discussed, even though it's a science fiction show. Splintering it off and putting it with Farscape doesn't seem right.


Kat - Aug 20, 2003 7:37:46 am PDT #2969 of 10289
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

Katie, that's what I was thinking too. Maybe it's a "Genre TV We Love" so we can combine Smallville, Due South and Farscape?


Sean K - Aug 20, 2003 7:42:52 am PDT #2970 of 10289
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

I dunno - it feels really artificial to me. Why do we need two topics? Farscape's had eight posts in the last week.

Well, the Farscape peeps really aren't about the HoYay (even though it sometimes comes up over there). If we broadened it to Sci-Fi, I think it would get more traffic. Discussion about Stargate would be suitable, I think, as would discussion of Highlander (another show discussed in dS).

But my problem is the discussion of Highlander, and sometimes Stargate, is really all about the HoYay, and while that's fine and fun, it doesn't really fit well with the Farscape style discussion and I don't want to deny the HoYay peeps a place to talk about that.

Those two categories don't seem artifical to me. Serious discussion of genre/fannish type shows is good, and discussion of HoYay is good, but they strike me as unmixy things. If I'm having a serious conversation about Stargate, it would be annoying to have to deal with talk of Jack and Daniel making a cute couple in that same discussion. Neither discussion is more legitimate than the other, but they deserve seperate spaces to take place.

Yes, they're all shows that inspire fannish behavior, but there are different ways to be a fan about a show, and creating seperate categories for the seperate types of fannishness only makes sense (well, to me anyway, and y'all know that I'm right all the time, right?)


Lyra Jane - Aug 20, 2003 7:43:41 am PDT #2971 of 10289
Up with the sun

Doesn't a Fannish TV thread have the same spoilage problems as a general TV thread?


Katie M - Aug 20, 2003 7:44:11 am PDT #2972 of 10289
I was charmed (albeit somewhat perplexed) by the fannish sensibility of many of the music choices -- it's like the director was trying to vid Canada. --loligo on the Olympic Opening Ceremonies

Yeah, Kat, that's my personal headspace. It won't be any skin off my nose if we go another way, though.


Steph L. - Aug 20, 2003 7:45:08 am PDT #2973 of 10289
I look more rad than Lutheranism

Yes, they're all shows that inspire fannish behavior, but there are different ways to be a fan about a show

To be fair, we've done it with Buffy and, more notably, Angel. There have been side-by-side conversations where one was nothing but HoYay and the other was serious. We can handle that in one thread.