I heartily wish we'd moved on one or the other of these options at the beginning of the summer - but I think most of us on both sides didn't think of them as options for some reason

IIRC, the problem was that until "Chosen" aired, people were viewing it as a plot spoiler because the casting change implied that the character in question could not die in the finale. Which, given how flexible "death" is in the Buffyverse and in this instance, is a laugh, but that IS how people were talking about it.

By the time that was no longer an issue, everyone was used to treating the casting news as a spoiler. I agree we probably should have had this discussion in June, when passions on both sides were lower.

I'd like to see any ballot create a thread for whichever community looses out.

That way, all the kids get to play even if one group has a ghetto playground with two toys.

I'd like to see any ballot create a thread for whichever community looses out.

As I noted in Bureaucracy, I think that's a separate issue. First of all, we don't know the outcome of this vote. Second, thread creation puts a strain on the system, and needs to be considered separately. Third, the issue at hand will be worded by Jim, and I personally think it's better for us to nail down the spoiler issue in clear language with clear border in a manner that accomodates the most number of Buffistas. That in itself, is a difficult task (as the many posts prove) and shouldn't be further complicated by the additional step of a rider.

I'd like to see any ballot create a thread for whichever community looses out.

Then propose a thread on a separate ballot after this vote. Anyone can make a proposal.

I'd like to see any ballot create a thread for whichever community looses out.

Quite frankly, I'd rather see this voted on as a separate issue. I am not alone on this issue.

This is fucking insane.

I want to talk about the show unspoiled. This is not rash or radical. I'm so sorry that I've been grossly insensitive to the sentiment that Spoilers and Semi Spoilers aren't enough and now we need Just This One Thing Spoilers too.

If we're going to have THREE ways for people of varying degrees of spoilage to discuss we should have ONE for the people who like to -- radical though it may be-- turn on a television show and see what happens.

It's ONE LINE on the ballot and that way we don't end up with however many days unable to discuss on the board.

You know what, you can go through the thread creation process like everybody else, Trudy. Your unspoiled status does not grant you extra special privleges, but you've been acting like it should.

It won't take that much longer to propose a virgin thread and wait for it to pass like you normally would, I don't know why we have to make special provisions just for you.

Besides, it's Jim's call whether the original wording is changed, not yours, Trudy, or a matter of consensus. The discussion here is an opportunity for the original proposer to hear arguments on the proposal and language, but it is the proposer's decision on what is put forth to vote.

I still think Victor's idea is practical and will make everyone happy. One thread for spoiler-hatas, one thread for those who want to discuss the BCS but no other spoilers ,and one for the spoiler lovers. No One is left out, no one has to accept a compromise, no one has to be spoiled if they don't want to. I am guessing the second thread will get the most traffic until the fall and then it can be folded into the main thread. This way, everyone gets a place to discuss the shows--and we can stop trying to get people to change their individual spoiler preferences, which is hopeless and actually kind of disrespectful.

I am reposting this from Bureau, from Scrappy. I am still unsure why this won't work, except for it wasn't the original proposal.

This is fucking insane.

Hey, same thing you were complaining about in Spoilers, re: calling the unspoiled insane.

But I do agree that if Jim so prefers, it can be added to the proposal, "If the Casting Change is added, so is added a Virgins thread." 'Course, the anti-thread proliferation party may take issue. But where we are closing some threads during the Great Housecleaning of The Fall 2003 TeeVee Season, perhaps we'll end up even stevens.